Topic: How do I teach to a specific, prescribed curriculum?
As it happened on Friday, 25th March 2011, 00:00 - 01:00 GMT

mathfour:
@MmeVeilleux I'm here now. If you missed it, I did too. #mathchat

padgets:
@mathfour #mathchat I am here too!!!
12:01 am
mathfour:
@padgets Sweet! Great to see you. #mathchat
12:01 am
padgets:
@mathfour #mathchat :0)
12:03 am
giaimojosephine:
Josephine Giaimo here, will be presenting a math teaching game at NYU this weekend, am excited to be here! #mathchat
12:03 am
mathfour:
@MmeVeilleux And if we missed it, we would surely see Colin and the kids' leftover tweets. I see none. I think we're good. #mathchat
12:03 am
mathfour:
@giaimojosephine Which math teaching game? #mathchat
12:04 am
padgets:
@giaimojosephine #mathchat love games!! whyville is my fav
12:04 am
mathheadinc:
RT @mathchat #mathchat: "How do I teach to a specific, prescribed curriculum?"
12:04 am
giaimojosephine:
@mathfour It's a prototype I created which teaches theoretical and empirical probabilities in math and "real life" #mathchat
12:04 am
MmeVeilleux:
@mathfour Great! #mathchat Good point - dinner is cooking so I am free for a while :)
12:04 am
mathfour:
@giaimojosephine I've been playing with @Sokikom - it's pretty nifty. #mathchat
12:05 am
giaimojosephine:
@mathfour #mathchat thanks, I will check out Sokikom!
12:05 am
padgets:
@giaimojosephine #mathchat wow........
12:05 am
padgets:
@mathfour #mathchat okie dokie what is Sokikom?
12:06 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat What does today's topic mean exactly? don't we all have a prescribed curriculum to follow?
12:06 am
mathfour:
@giaimojosephine Nifty - when can we play? #mathchat
12:06 am
kestans:
RT @juglialoro: Please help me introduce a great middle school math teacher @lynnelambert to the power of twitter. Please RT. #edchat #mathchat #midleveled
12:06 am
mathheadinc:
@MmeVeilleux I don't. I help kids understand theirs. #mathchat
12:06 am
padgets:
#mathchat nope I don't
12:06 am
giaimojosephine:
@mathfour #mathchat well...it's a card game, so...what state are you in?
12:06 am
mathfour:
@padgets @Sokikom is an online social math game for grades 1-6. I'm on "Frachine" right now doing fractions. #mathchat
12:06 am
padgets:
@giaimojosephine #mathchat Iowa
12:07 am
padgets:
@mathfour #mathchat so how do i get to play? love games
12:07 am
mathfour:
@MmeVeilleux Yeah - I'm often confused at the topics. Today's no different. #mathchat
12:07 am
giaimojosephine:
@padgets #mathchat...okay...as the song says...the difficult, I'll do right now...the impossible will take a little while...
12:07 am
mathfour:
@giaimojosephine I'm in Texas. #mathchat
12:07 am
mathheadinc:
@MmeVeilleux Otherwise, our curriculum is calculus for young people. #mathchat
12:08 am
padgets:
#mathchat ok, so the math challenged science teacher needs some help LOL :0) @giaimojosephine
12:08 am
giaimojosephine:
@mathfour #mathchat...i hear a user interface design in my future...
12:08 am
mathfour:
@MmeVeilleux I don't have a curriculum - I write a blog. Back in the teaching days, though, I was allowed to go renegade. #mathchat
12:09 am
giaimojosephine:
@padgets #mathchat tell us what you need...
12:09 am
mathfour:
@padgets What's up? What'd I miss? What are you confused about. Now I'm lost. #mathchat
12:09 am
ColinTGraham:
Hi all, got here finally! Have you managed to work out what today's topic means yet or are we still discussing it? ;-) #mathchat
12:09 am
padgets:
@giaimojosephine #mathchat I got lost when you described the game LOL :0)
12:09 am
grammygraham:
@MmeVeilleux we write our own curriculum based on the state standards #mathchat PA
12:10 am
mathfour:
@ColinTGraham Nope - still discussing it. As usual. :D #mathchat
12:10 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @ColinTGraham LOL - still discussing it
12:10 am
giaimojosephine:
@padgets #mathchat it's a card game that's designed to encourage students to learn and/or estimate probabilities and odds...a prototype
12:10 am
ColinTGraham:
@mathfour @MmeVeilleux Ooh big surprise! #mathchat
12:10 am
MmeVeilleux:
Btw, this is my latest fave time-waster: http://calculationnation.nctm.org/neXtu/Assets/neXtu.html #mathchat
12:10 am
padgets:
@giaimojosephine #mathchat ahh gotcha now!!
12:11 am
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat you know me need to explain EVERYTHIMG!!! LOL ;0)
12:11 am
ColinTGraham:
Two aspects to today's topic: most of us are teaching to a curriculum, I hope! Most have had little say in curriculum content #mathchat
12:11 am
padgets:
#mathchat see I cannot even spell :00
12:11 am
mathfour:
@giaimojosephine How can I get a copy? I can review it. #mathchat
12:12 am
padgets:
#mathchat @giaimojosephine me too me too me too!!
12:13 am
ColinTGraham:
In many cases curriculum, state/national reqments can be hugely constrictive, but are there ways of teaching 'outside the box'? #mathchat
12:14 am
mathfour:
@lynnelambert Welcome to twitter! Are you participating in #mathchat? #mathchat
12:14 am
ColinTGraham:
@giaimojosephine Hi Josephine, nice to have some 'new blood' for #mathchat!
12:14 am
mathheadinc:
@ColinTGraham Of course, but most teachers teach what they learned in the education programs. #mathchat
12:14 am
mathfour:
Who teaches what grades (or subjects)? That might be a good start. #mathchat
12:15 am
mathfour:
@mathheadinc And this is where things get bad! #mathchat
12:15 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour We teach K - college, up to 600+ level math. #mathchat
12:15 am
padgets:
#mathchat I teach 9th grade science lurking and a learning from my math buds!!
12:16 am
ColinTGraham:
@mathfour Maybe better to say what areas of the curriculum seem particularly limiting.... or do you have textbooks imposed, etc.? #mathchat
12:16 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour Oh, the teachers teaching what they learned? They have to be brave enough to break the mold. #mathchat
12:16 am
grammygraham:
I teach mostly Algebra I #mathchat
12:16 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour New student starting MON, middle school teacher was an art major. #mathchat
12:17 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat I agree that we should be student-centered in our tchg because we need 2use formative assessments & B responsive 2 lrnrs.
12:17 am
ColinTGraham:
@mathheadinc To begin with, maybe, but at what point to teachers starting departing from that 'pre-taught' model? How? #mathchat
12:17 am
padgets:
#mathchat I use the math that goes with physical science in 9th grade so pre- algebra algebra a little geo
12:17 am
grammygraham:
I find it hard to "teach outside the box" as I have to teach the foundation...Algebra I...but I'm working on it #mathchat
12:17 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat Self-intro: I teach pre-service tchrs at UBC.
12:18 am
mathfour:
@ColinTGraham And in reality, who has to teach so that kiddos pass certain achievement tests? #mathchat
12:18 am
Leighbra:
@mathfour We have a 7th grader who's finally "up to grade lvl" after being in public school & a 2nd grader doing "4th grade" math #mathchat
12:18 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets Do you feel your mathematics content is 'dictated' by the physics, Sharon? #mathchat
12:18 am
iamsammy84:
#mathchat Im just a student in the credential program
12:18 am
giaimojosephine:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat thank you Colin! Glad to be here, learned about it through #gtchat
12:18 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat Baking analogy: We first have to learn basic recipes & principles of baking B4 cr8ing our own recipes.
12:18 am
ColinTGraham:
@iamsammy84 Hi, thanks for joining us. #mathchat
12:19 am
giaimojosephine:
I teach mostly middle school math, but some pre-K through grey as well...#mathchat
12:19 am
mathheadinc:
@ColinTGraham I broke free with the help of, you guessed it, @TheMathman ! #mathchat
12:19 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @iamsammy84 Hi! What is the credential program?
12:19 am
grammygraham:
@ColinTGraham @mathheadinc I use think-pair-share, an interactive white board and classroom laptops (but I need to use them more) #mathchat
12:19 am
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat well, yes and no I encourage kids to find multiple ways to solve the problem
12:19 am
mathfour:
@grammygraham Can you teach bits and pieces outside the curriculum - like different methods to get at the same goals? #mathchat
12:20 am
ColinTGraham:
@MmeVeilleux Or we can experiment by cooking stuff for ourselves and then refining, if we feel brave enough... #mathchat
12:20 am
mathfour:
@MmeVeilleux I totally disagree. I cooked for years making things up. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. But always learning. #mathchat
12:20 am
giaimojosephine:
what areas ... seem particularly limiting.... or do you have textbooks imposed, etc.? #mathchatstudents don't get enough stats and probs!
12:20 am
mathheadinc:
@grammygraham We use scratch paper, crayons, colored pencils...95% low-tech. #mathchat
12:20 am
brianDowd:
RT @grammygraham: I find it hard to "teach outside the box" as I have to teach the foundation...Algebra I...but I'm working on it #mathchat
12:20 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @mathheadinc: @mathfour New student starting MON, middle school teacher was an art major. #mathchat ...how does that work???
12:20 am
grammygraham:
@MmeVeilleux exactly! I'm still teaching/reminding Alg I students the basics like fractions and signed numbers. #mathchat
12:21 am
fiteach:
RT @MmeVeilleux: #mathchat Baking analogy: We first have to learn basic recipes & principles of baking B4 cr8ing our own recipes.
12:21 am
giaimojosephine:
7th grader who's ... "up to grade lvl" after being in public school & a 2nd grader doing "4th grade" math #mathchat <==that's a challenge!
12:21 am
mathfour:
@MmeVeilleux Furthermore, the more you mess up a recipe, the faster you learn. #mathchat
12:21 am
grammygraham:
@mathfour YES! I encourage the kids to find different ways to solve problems. #mathchat I try different things all the time!
12:22 am
mathheadinc:
@giaimojosephine He's struggling now in finite math. There may be a learning issue. I'll keep you posted. #mathchat
12:22 am
ColinTGraham:
I think many issues surrounding 'prescription' of curricula are more about teaching to tests/exams rather than curricula per se #mathchat
12:22 am
delta_dc:
@giaimojosephine I agree! Quantitative literacy requires a better understanding of stochastics #mathchat
12:22 am
mathfour:
AMEN! RT @padgets: @ColinTGraham well, yes and no I encourage kids to find multiple ways to solve the problem #mathchat
12:22 am
grammygraham:
@mathheadinc I use mini white boards for quick FA and review #mathchat
12:22 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @mathfour: @MmeVeilleux Furthermore, the more you mess up a recipe, the faster you learn. #mathchat
12:23 am
missmc2:
RT @d_martin05: Don't teach that; it's not on the test http://t.co/SIHDACK #abed #abfuture #edreform#edchat #mathchat
12:23 am
ColinTGraham:
@giaimojosephine It can be fairly common for there to be a 5-year ability gap in a class of 13yos in England. #mathchat
12:23 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @mathfour I learn a lot from others rather than all innovation coming from myself. I make my own sense of it though.
12:23 am
padgets:
@delta_dc #mathchat sorry but what is stochastics?
12:23 am
mathfour:
@mathheadinc GREAT! That's the way to go. Totally (or 95%) low tech is awesome! (even my video posts are low tech!) #mathchat
12:24 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @delta_dc: @giaimojosephine..Quantitative literacy requires ...understanding of stochastics #mathchat..prob/stats = queen of mathematics
12:24 am
mathfour:
@grammygraham You know why you teach them fractions? Because they used a calculator too early! ARG! #mathchat
12:24 am
mathheadinc:
@grammygraham My only objection is the short life of the markers! :) #mathchat
12:24 am
delta_dc:
@padgets just shorthand for probability and statistics, but now you've made me write it out anyway ;) #mathchat
12:24 am
ColinTGraham:
We have addressed issues of curriculum design in previous sessions, but here we should focus on creative ways of working within... #mathchat
12:25 am
grammygraham:
How do you use metacognition in math? #mathchat
12:25 am
padgets:
@delta_dc sorry.....#mathchat did not know...
12:25 am
mathfour:
@ColinTGraham That seems to be the real problem! #mathchat
12:25 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @ColinTGraham: @giaimojosephinea 5-year ability gap in a class of 13yos in England. #mathchat...<==a bit scary, doncha think, but BTDT!
12:25 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour Kids love doing their own work, writing their own stuff. It makes a better impression on the memory. #mathchat
12:25 am
padgets:
@giaimojosephine #mathchat BTDT?
12:25 am
mathfour:
@delta_dc Not sure if you're losing @padgets, but you're losing me with those big fancy words. Ouch. #mathchat
12:25 am
grammygraham:
@mathfour I totally agree! When I first started teaching, they taught me that there was a fraction button on the calculator! #mathchat
12:26 am
mathheadinc:
@giaimojosephine "7th grader up to..." grade what? #mathchat
12:26 am
grammygraham:
@mathheadinc Yes. I'm trying to figure out a solution for that. #mathchat
12:26 am
padgets:
@mathfour #mathchat I gone gone gone gone gone ......
12:26 am
ColinTGraham:
@mathfour I know those big words, but then I am almost 50% statistician in my maths hat! #mathchat
12:26 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @mathfour: @mathheadinc If they want high tech, maybe they can program their own computers (smile) to solve problems? #mathchat
12:26 am
delta_dc:
@grammygraham we have learners develop metacognitive memoirs - they take problem & write about rationale for their decisions. #mathchat
12:26 am
mathfour:
@MmeVeilleux No sense in doing it all yourself. Most of what I teach is stolen. #mathchat
12:27 am
mathheadinc:
@grammygraham My husband teaches. He's my scrap paper source :) #mathchat
12:27 am
delta_dc:
@padgets no worries :) #mathchat
12:27 am
mathfour:
@mathheadinc And the landfill aspect. We were much more sustainable and green with chalk! #mathchat
12:27 am
mathheadinc:
@giaimojosephine ABSOLUTELY! "...program their own computers...#mathchat
12:27 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @padgets: @giaimojosephine #mathchat BTDT?...Been There, Done That...
12:27 am
grammygraham:
@delta_dc sounds similar to what I do...have them justify each step of a problem. #mathchat
12:27 am
ColinTGraham:
@grammygraham Metacognition, or thinking about thinking, is gradually getting into the system here, with increased communication #mathchat
12:27 am
mackrellr:
@grammygraham Reflection or summary of open ended applications of content. #mathchat
12:28 am
padgets:
@giaimojosephine #mathchat thanks!
12:28 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour Yeah, can't get high on chalk. Hate the smell of the markers, too. #mathchat
12:28 am
mathfour:
@ColinTGraham Givin' us the smackdown again. *sigh* #mathchat
12:28 am
ColinTGraham:
@mathheadinc No paperless classroom there then! #mathchat
12:28 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @mathheadinc: @giaimojosephine "7th grader up to..." grade what? #mathchat...9th...
12:28 am
mathfour:
@grammygraham AAAA! Another big word. Metacognition? #mathchat
12:28 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @mathfour: @MmeVeilleux No sense in doing it all yourself. Most of what I teach is stolen. #mathchat
12:29 am
padgets:
#mathchat getting my dictionary......
12:29 am
mathfour:
@mathheadinc You're totally in my camp. #mathchat
12:29 am
mathheadinc:
@giaimojosephine Thanks! Those kids are easy to teach with @TheMathman 's methods. #mathchat
12:29 am
grammygraham:
@mackrellr true but I want to find a way to do it on a regular basis...possibly daily. Just can't figure out how to fit it in! #mathchat
12:29 am
ColinTGraham:
@mackrellr Hi Rich, welcome to #mathchat Lots of new tweeps here today... great to see!
12:29 am
delta_dc:
@grammygraham the narrative style appeals to some learners. And the memoir allows them to consider embellishing their ideas. #mathchat
12:29 am
mathheadinc:
@ColinTGraham Not paperless but recycle everything possible. #mathchat
12:29 am
grammygraham:
@mathfour metacognition...thinking about thinking #mathchat
12:30 am
mathfour:
@grammygraham http://mathfour.com/math-around-us/confessions-of-a-calculator-addict - that's me. #mathchat
12:30 am
padgets:
#mathchat no talking here agenda strategy used
12:30 am
giaimojosephine:
@mathheadinc #mathchat Will check out TheMathman
12:30 am
mathheadinc:
@earlsamuelson Not this classroom! #mathchat
12:30 am
ColinTGraham:
@mathfour Yes, Bon. I'm being Mr 'Badass' Moderator as you might say in your part of the world, y'all! #mathchat
12:30 am
mathfour:
@padgets Me too. hang in there, we'll get through this together. #mathchat
12:31 am
padgets:
@mathfour #mathchat Love YA!!
12:31 am
mathfour:
@giaimojosephine Exactly. I learned "Computer Math" on the Apple IIe #mathchat
12:31 am
padgets:
@giaimojosephine #mathchat (sigh) The Mathman is the bomb.....
12:31 am
grammygraham:
@delta_dc can you elaborate on the memoir idea? #mathchat
12:32 am
ColinTGraham:
@giaimojosephine Don's (@TheMathman) calculus map is a very good starting point: http://bit.ly/cNGVoT #mathchat
12:32 am
mathfour:
@grammygraham We discussed in #HSMath (homeschool math chat) last week about NOT making kids show their work. #mathchat
12:32 am
mathheadinc:
@giaimojosephine You must! And this 4th grade trig student http://bit.ly/8gZH5 & 4yo algebrahttp://twitpic.com/4co7sr #mathchat
12:32 am
delta_dc:
What metacognition adds to prescribed curriculum is opportunity to move from giving an answer to showing work to sharing thinking. #mathchat
12:33 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @mathfour: @grammygraham http://bit.ly/gJAG2u - that's me. #mathchat <== like this! Have been using Spirit of Math and Singapore Mental
12:33 am
EarlSamuelson:
@mathheadinc not in mine either.....there are some who really push for the paperless classroom and I've been called a "Luddite" #mathchat
12:33 am
EmergentMath:
Can a great teacher make even teaching to test engaging? I say yes. #mathchat
12:33 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @mathfour: @giaimojosephine Exactly. I learned "Computer Math" on the Apple IIe #mathchat oh now, now you are dating yourself...eek!
12:34 am
ColinTGraham:
@delta_dc So, look for opportunities to deepen understanding or engage in discussion of context, instead of moving on too quickly? #mathchat
12:34 am
grammygraham:
@mathfour I'm in PA and our state tests require kids to show work on the open ended question. #mathchat
12:34 am
mathheadinc:
@earlsamuelson Many students don't like technology but so many in ed and tech push it. #mathchat
12:34 am
mathfour:
@ColinTGraham Oh My Goodness. You are SO CUTE! #mathchat
12:34 am
padgets:
#mathchat @giaimojosephine ummmm I think I did too!
12:34 am
grammygraham:
@EmergentMath I agree #mathchat
12:34 am
padgets:
@mathfour #mathchat AHHHHH did I miss something?
12:35 am
ColinTGraham:
@EmergentMath Yes, if the students are engaged on the taking of the test... there are ways of teaching content other than practice #mathchat
12:35 am
mathheadinc:
@padgets Make sure you get his worksheet book. It will change you life. #mathchat
12:35 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @ColinTGraham: @giaimojosephine Don's (@TheMathman) calculus map is a very good starting point: http://bit.ly/cNGVoT #mathchat way cool!
12:35 am
EarlSamuelson:
@mathheadinc those who push the most for it are not math teachers themselves #mathchat
12:35 am
padgets:
@mathheadinc #mathchat on my way to Amazon!!
12:35 am
BLicata:
I Think the work and thought process is more important than the answer #mathchat
12:35 am
mathheadinc:
@earlsamuelson Yes and don't understand the struggles of many math students. #mathchat
12:36 am
ColinTGraham:
I'd hope not or bang goes my origami lesson! RT @earlsamuelson @mathheadinc Is a paperless classroom the wave of the future? #mathchat
12:36 am
delta_dc:
@ColinTGraham yes and offer choice. Learner choses problem that best allows him/her to demonstrate an NCTM Process Standard. #mathchat
12:36 am
mathheadinc:
@padgets No, no, better to get it on his site. www.mathman.biz :) #mathchat
12:36 am
mathfour:
@mathheadinc Dunno how many students breathe a sigh of relief when I outlaw calculators in my classes. #mathchat
12:36 am
BLicata:
I haven't met a student that didn't like technology #mathchat
12:36 am
grammygraham:
@mathheadinc @earlsamuelson I find they like technology when it engages them and is fun #mathchated tech sites need to be more "fun"
12:36 am
padgets:
RT @mathheadinc: @padgets No, no, better to get it on his site. www.mathman.biz :) #mathchat<<<<gottcha!!
12:36 am
giaimojosephine:
about NOT making kids show their work. #mathchat OK with me as long as they can explain their thinking at each step...confirm comprehension.
12:37 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour That's very interesting. #mathchat
12:37 am
EarlSamuelson:
@ColinTGraham @mathheadinc I agree completely!!! #mathchat #pwsd
12:37 am
ColinTGraham:
@BLicata What happens with teachers who are more comfortable teaching with textbooks or curricula as props? #mathchat
12:38 am
mathfour:
@ColinTGraham Here's "fixin' to" explained by me: http://www.idearella.com/2011/a-texasism-explained-fixin-to #mathchat
12:38 am
mathheadinc:
@grammygraham I use tech when they understand the foundation and they are ready to verify their understanding. #mathchat
12:38 am
EmergentMath:
.@ColinTGraham Let me refine question: Can a great teacher make even test-practice engaging? Again, I say yes. #mathchat
12:38 am
grammygraham:
@BLicata They like technology but they seem to resist learning from a computer #mathchat
12:38 am
padgets:
#mathchat I never did understand things from a book unless it was for food
12:38 am
EarlSamuelson:
@BLicata I couldn't agree more #mathchat
12:38 am
MmeVeilleux:
RT @delta_dc: What metacognition adds to prescribed curriculum is opportunity to move from giving an answer to showing work to sharing thinking. #mathchat
12:39 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour Funny thing, too, the schools required graphing calcs but they make many kids nervous. #mathchat
12:39 am
mackrellr:
#mathchat can number sense still be taught with student access to caclulators?
12:39 am
ColinTGraham:
@giaimojosephine Kids 'showing work' is more about displaying either memorization of process or thinking...not the best way to do #mathchat
12:39 am
mathheadinc:
LOL! RT @padgets: #mathchat I never did understand things from a book unless it was for food
12:39 am
EmergentMath:
Consider making test-prep engaging as a challenge? To be conquered and destroyed? #mathchat
12:40 am
BLicata:
Textbooks are 85% questions, 10% glossary, 5% instruction #Mathchat teachers need to be able to develop their own
12:40 am
giaimojosephine:
Many students don't like technology but so many in ed and tech push it. #mathchat ...because they don't know what they don't know...lol...
12:40 am
ColinTGraham:
@mackrellr If they have to use the calculators to convert to binary, yes... 9yos can handle this... #mathchat
12:41 am
BLicata:
?@grammygraham: @BLicata They like technology but they seem to resist learning from a computer #mathchat? but is the learning fun?
12:41 am
delta_dc:
@mackrellr again, with choice I think so. Ask learners to pick 5 problems to do by hand, 5 using a calculator, 5 by estimation #mathchat
12:41 am
giaimojosephine:
there are ways of teaching content other than practice #mathchat ..practice comes after teaching content, not during or before..no?
12:41 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat 2make tests meaningful, have Ss work out incorrect answers and explain where thinking went wrong - partial marks?
12:41 am
sbeducator:
Late but I teach 6th & 8th sped resource math RT @mathfour: Who teaches what grades (or subjects)? That might be a good start. #mathchat
12:42 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @earlsamuelson: @mathheadinc those who push the most for it are not math teachers themselves #mathchat...funny how that is, eh?
12:42 am
ColinTGraham:
@BLicata There was a MathFuture webinar about escaping from the textbook yesterday... point is many treat text as a straightjacket #Mathchat
12:42 am
padgets:
#mathchat well my friends need to take care of dinner, take care thanks for putting up with me tweet you all next time :0)
12:42 am
delta_dc:
@ColinTGraham @giaimojosephine I want them to make their thinking visible. But it doesn't have to be every problem-let them chose #mathchat
12:42 am
EarlSamuelson:
@delta_dc I agree with a healthy mix #mathchat
12:42 am
mathheadinc:
Have kids come up with more than one way to do something, then teach it to the class. #mathchat
12:43 am
mathfour:
@giaimojosephine If you force them to explain you may destroy the natural ability within! #mathchat
12:43 am
ColinTGraham:
Only if it doesn't extend to placeholder... RT @mackrellr: @ColinTGraham but isn't that just memorizing an algorithm? #Mathchat
12:43 am
mathheadinc:
@giaimojosephine Don't get us started! #mathchat
12:43 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @delta_dc I like your idea for showing work for some of the questions. This option gives choice.
12:44 am
ColinTGraham:
@delta_dc And you can challenge students that they might be asked to display thinking 'at random' on any problem too... #mathchat
12:44 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour When our kids explain things to others ,they end up with the highest grades in the class. #mathchat
12:44 am
delta_dc:
@earlsamuelson and allows them to build capacity for deciding for themselves when it makes sense to use a calculator. #mathchat
12:44 am
BLicata:
Math is about creativity, infinite possibilities #mathchat well not always
12:44 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @ColinTGraham Yes, the textbook ≠ the curriculum.
12:44 am
mathfour:
@mathheadinc Okay - here's a discussion on giving kids calculators: http://goo.gl/67y4c #mathchat
12:45 am
peterflom:
@mathheadinc I would have gotten straight A's in that scheme! #mathchat
12:45 am
mathfour:
@mackrellr The UIL competition Number Sense? #mathchat
12:45 am
ColinTGraham:
@MmeVeilleux Identifying error is another thing, and could also include peer-correction activities too #mathchat
12:45 am
EarlSamuelson:
@delta_dc yes.....when it makes sense #mathchat
12:45 am
mathheadinc:
@peterflom Scheme? #mathchat
12:45 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat Yes, coop lrng is math is powerful. Ss tchg teach other. @mathheadinc @mathfour
12:45 am
mackrellr:
#mathchat I think fact fluency can b maintained w calcs by brief metacognitive summary. Y does ur answer make sense?
12:45 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour I snatch them when kids try to do "4x6"! #mathchat
12:45 am
mathfour:
Totally agree RT @ColinTGraham showing work is more about displaying either memorization of process or thinking...not best way #mathchat
12:45 am
BLicata:
RT @mathheadinc: @mathfour When our kids explain things to others ,they end up with the highest grades in the class. #mathchat
12:46 am
delta_dc:
@ColinTGraham random, eh? That statistician hat? :) #mathchat
12:46 am
ColinTGraham:
@sbeducator Hi, thanks for joining us, lots of new people today! #mathchat
12:46 am
mathheadinc:
@MmeVeilleux It's the final leap to higher grades. We can only do so much. #mathchat
12:46 am
mathfour:
@BLicata Need to dev their own what? Instruction or questions? #mathchat
12:46 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @ColinTGraham What I struggle with in peer correction is an over-use where peer feedback may not be the best.
12:46 am
grammygraham:
@mathheadinc @mathfour I agree...when they can teach it, they know it! #mathchat
12:46 am
mathheadinc:
YES! RT @grammygraham: @mathheadinc @mathfour I agree...when they can teach it, they know it! #mathchat
12:46 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @ColinTGraham Related: How can we increase the quality of peer feedback in mathematics?
12:47 am
ColinTGraham:
@peterflom Hi Peter! Long time, no see! #mathchat
12:47 am
mathfour:
@giaimojosephine sometimes, but not required. Sometimes solving the problem is part of the fun - figuring it out on your own. #mathchat
12:47 am
EarlSamuelson:
@BLicata I agree.....explaining to others forces a deeper awareness of the concept #mathchat
12:47 am
mathheadinc:
If schools want better math scores (not that I care about SCHOOLS' scores ;-P), they need to teach kids to teach each other. #mathchat
12:48 am
mackrellr:
@grammygraham #mathchat funny,I used that error analysis doc I shared w u earlier this year. I refined it a bit if u want an update
12:48 am
mathfour:
@ColinTGraham I merely use the problems from the text. I ignore the instruction (except the gray boxes - those can help) #mathchat
12:48 am
ColinTGraham:
@mackrellr That is a creative use of calculators. Too many teachers get 'tramlined' by perceptions of what calcs are for, though. #mathchat
12:48 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat So when Ss' teach other, does 1 tch whole class or do U do it in pairs? how do U scaffold this?
12:48 am
peterflom:
@mathfour How would I "show my work" when there wasn't any? Often, I just KNEW the answer #mathchat
12:48 am
mathfour:
You're like my twin sister! RT @mathheadinc: If schools want better math scores they need to teach kids to teach each other. #mathchat
12:49 am
BLicata:
?@mathfour: @BLicata Need to dev their own what? Instruction or questions? #mathchat? everything, develop engaging content
12:49 am
EarlSamuelson:
@giaimojosephine it's the absolute truth! #mathchat
12:49 am
peterflom:
@colintgraham My stream gets so swamped! What days/times is #MathChat?
12:49 am
ColinTGraham:
@peterflom That's a very rare situation, though, Peter! I suspect many of us here may be the same, but our students aren't! #mathchat
12:49 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat I like a lot of the games suggestion by the Math Makes Sense textbook series (Cda).
12:49 am
mathfour:
@mathheadinc That's how I was. couldn't do 8x7 after a while. It was bad. Then I did rehab. Now, no calculators! #mathchat
12:50 am
grammygraham:
@mackrellr yes please! #mathchat
12:50 am
sbeducator:
@mathheadinc agreed! We need more kids helping each other. That's why I love the mathtrain.tv site. #mathchat
12:50 am
peterflom:
I am helping my 8 year old learn about fractions. He learns visual in school, I teach numeric #MathChat
12:50 am
ColinTGraham:
@peterflom http://bit.ly/codZeQ details on the Wiki. Monday moves to match local time in UK, Thur/Fri is fixed at 00:00 GMT Fri #MathChat
12:50 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour Super! Have a new Jr this week, in precalc & has trouble with fractions. OY! #mathchat
12:51 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @padgets: #mathchat I never did understand things from a book unless it was for food
12:51 am
mathfour:
@BLicata Nah. I use their problems. Those work well. When I use "bon problems" I get FREAKY answers. #mathchat
12:51 am
peterflom:
@colintgraham Well, I don't have students, so I wouldn't know :-) #MathChat
12:52 am
giaimojosephine:
the schools required graphing calcs but they make many kids nervous. #mathchat...easy to understand why that is, no? Complexity...
12:52 am
ColinTGraham:
@MmeVeilleux I'd actually like to see two or three year groups brought together, so higher levels work with lower, older/younger #mathchat
12:52 am
mathfour:
@mathheadinc I hate to keep giving links to you, but they are applicable. Here's some fraction stuff:http://goo.gl/GDWUK #mathchat
12:52 am
MmeVeilleux:
RT @sbeducator: @mathheadinc agreed! We need more kids helping each other. That's why I love the mathtrain.tv site. #mathchat
12:53 am
mathheadinc:
@giaimojosephine Perceived complexity, absolutely. It's always simpler than they think, though. #mathchat
12:53 am
ColinTGraham:
Right, let's just summarize before the last 5 minutes.... #Mathchat
12:53 am
sbeducator:
@ColinTGraham thanks for the welcome! #mathchat
12:53 am
mathfour:
EXACTLY! RT @peterflom: How would I "show my work" when there wasnt any? Often, I just KNEW the answer #mathchat
12:54 am
mackrellr:
#mathchat RAFT type problems are a fun/active ways to require students to "show their work". Haven't tried 1 yet butI hear good things.
12:54 am
ColinTGraham:
Text is not the curriculum, there needs to be increased level of talking about thinking, multiple approaches to same topic... #Mathchat
12:54 am
EarlSamuelson:
@giaimojosephine graphing calculators are great once the concepts are understood-they shouldn't be used in lieu of understanding #mathchat
12:54 am
sbeducator:
Good point! RT @mathfour: EXACTLY! RT @peterflom: How would I "show my work" when there wasn't any? Often, I just KNEW the answer #mathchat
12:54 am
mathheadinc:
Someone tweeted about two kids working one side of an equation each and they had to agree. Great plan. #mathchat
12:55 am
mathfour:
@giaimojosephine Pushing a button in the upper right corner is the same as pushing it in the 2nd row. No added value! #mathchat
12:55 am
ColinTGraham:
Technology needs to be used creatively/imaginatively.... any more points in the last 5 minutes? #Mathchat
12:55 am
giaimojosephine:
many treat text as a straightjacket #Mathchat...how much math are your elem ed teachers required to have? In my state, 0 credits. Zilch.
12:55 am
mathheadinc:
@peterflom Ramanujan "just knew" G. H. Hardy and Joh Littlewood help him show his work. #mathchat
12:55 am
giaimojosephine:
RT @mathheadinc: Have kids come up with more than one way to do something, then teach it to the class. #mathchat <== I like this!
12:55 am
EarlSamuelson:
@mathheadinc I like that idea #mathchat
12:56 am
mathfour:
@EarlSamuelson Graphing calculators are good when they are ENGINEERS! They don't need them otherwise. EVER! #mathchat
12:56 am
grammygraham:
@mackrellr We will have to discuss this tomorrow...the only RAFT I know of is a DI strategy #mathchat
12:56 am
mathheadinc:
@giaimojosephine Nowhere NEAR enough math in a math ed degree in the U.S. #Mathchat
12:56 am
ColinTGraham:
@giaimojosephine Oh, I'm not going there Josephine, already had a rant and rave about the situation in England on Tuesday ;-) #Mathchat
12:56 am
mathheadinc:
@earlsamuelson I think it may have been @davidwees . #mathchat
12:56 am
mackrellr:
#mathchat I often think that it's not really the theorem or axiom that is important, but how these tools are used.
12:57 am
giaimojosephine:
Check out www.arthematics.com for integrated projects in math and art written by a colleague...and enjoy! #mathchat
12:57 am
mathheadinc:
@giaimojosephine The first part is @TheMathman 's :) #mathchat
12:57 am
mathfour:
Indeed! RT @mathheadinc: @giaimojosephine Nowhere NEAR enough math in a math ed degree in the U.S. #mathchat
12:57 am
MrT_Ro:
Sorry I caught this discussion a little late. The standard algorithm is not always the most efficient strategy. #mathchat
12:58 am
ColinTGraham:
For me, the main challenge is to get students thinking about the concept and how it applies to contexts outside the curriculum... #Mathchat
12:58 am
mathfour:
@mathheadinc @giaimojosephine I taught math to math ed majors and was horrified at the little they needed. #mathchat
12:58 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour I've tutored them. SCARY! One was my cousin! #mathchat
12:58 am
sbeducator:
@mathheadinc agreed...esp w/the level of rigor that's required in the Common Core Standards... #mathchat
12:59 am
ColinTGraham:
@MrT_Ro Hi, thanks for joining, we're just finishing off (?) discussing teaching to a specific, prescribed curric... or should be! #mathchat
12:59 am
EarlSamuelson:
@mathfour you're preaching to the choir here! We've had them shoved down our throats so have made the best of them #mathchat
1:00 am
stefras:
RT @mathheadinc: Have kids come up with more than one way to do something, then teach it to the class. #mathchat
1:00 am
mathfour:
@EarlSamuelson Y'all are better than I - I flat refuse to use them. Probably why I don't teach anymore. #mathchat
1:00 am
BLicata:
RT @mackrellr: #mathchat RAFT type problems are a fun/active ways to require students to "show their work". Haven't tried 1 yet butI hear good things.
1:00 am
mackrellr:
@grammygraham #mathchat Role/Audience/Format/Topic (RAFT) ur right it is a di strategy.
1:00 am
ColinTGraham:
Well, it's that time again everyone! Great to see some new people here today. Follow @mathchat to keep updated. #Mathchat
1:00 am
mathfour:
@ColinTGraham We were mostly on topic. Really. #mathchat
1:00 am
mathfour:
@ColinTGraham Can I plug my thing later tonight? #mathchat
1:01 am
ColinTGraham:
Monday's chat may be an hour earlier for some of you, it will be moving to 19:30 GMT since we go to BST on Sunday #Mathchat
1:01 am
EarlSamuelson:
@mathfour I'm not independently wealthy.......yet. I must therefore do as I'm told #mathchat
1:01 am
BLicata:
#Mathchat...how much math are your elem ed teachers required to have? In my state, 0 credits. Zilch.? same here
1:01 am
BLicata:
RT @giaimojosephine: RT @mathheadinc: Have kids come up with more than one way to do something, then teach it to the class. #mathchat <== I like this!
1:01 am
mathfour:
#HSMath (homeschool math) in one hour at 9pm CST. http://ht.ly/4lrVf topic: Teach real world math and keep needed formulas #mathchat
1:02 am
ColinTGraham:
The archive will go online in about 20 minutes or so, and Bon has just plugged her homeschool thing... #Mathchat
1:02 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour I can think of some fun things to do with graphing calcs that aren't in the book :D #mathchat
1:02 am
mathfour:
@EarlSamuelson I'm with you. *sigh* #mathchat
1:02 am
mathfour:
@mathheadinc BOOBLESS? #mathchat
1:03 am
mathfour:
@ColinTGraham Thanks :D #mathchat
1:03 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour Uhhh, you lost me. #mathchat
1:03 am
giaimojosephine:
Thanks everyone, I had a great time, and enjoyed meeting you all. Grateful for the suggestions and conversation, you R terrific! #mathchat
1:03 am
ColinTGraham:
Ok, I am out of here, before things get more Texan... ;-) #Mathchat
1:03 am
mathfour:
55378008 - jus'sayin' #mathchat
1:04 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour HAHA, silly girl! #mathchat
1:04 am
mathfour:
@mathheadinc 55378008 (how old are you? Old enough to have typed that in the calc and held it upside down?) #mathchat
1:04 am
mathfour:
@ColinTGraham We love ya, darlin'! #mathchat
1:04 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour Never learned THAT one. #mathchat
1:05 am
teachdig:
@mathheadinc The math they made me take was ridiculous considering my eng background. #Mathchat
1:05 am
EarlSamuelson:
@ColinTGraham Thanks everyone! #mathchat
1:05 am
mathfour:
But really, y'all. If you want to help some homeschoolers out, or learn from them a little, join us in an hour. #HSMath #mathchat
1:05 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat I am going to write a short post on how I use my number line w/my Ss & re-post some math pencasts on #mathchat. Ciao all!!!
1:06 am
mathheadinc:
@teachdig Ridiculous as in too much of not very useful? #Mathchat
1:06 am
MmeVeilleux:
See you all next week! #mathchat
1:06 am
mathheadinc:
@MmeVeilleux Or sooner! :D #mathchat
1:06 am
mathfour:
@mathheadinc And 71077345 - that's another one #mathchat
1:06 am
ColinTGraham:
@mathfour It was Shell Oil when I was at school... #mathchat
1:06 am
giaimojosephine:
Old enough to have typed that in the calc and held it upside down?) #mathchat ..that's a new one on me too!
1:07 am
ColinTGraham:
@MmeVeilleux Au revoir, Ingrid #mathchat
1:07 am
MrT_Ro:
@ColinTGraham Thanks! I'm following @mathchat now. Hope to be a part of future discussions. #mathchat
1:08 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @ColinTGraham Ciao! and thx for moder8ing.
1:08 am
teachdig:
@mathheadinc Exactly. My math ed classes taught me more useful stuff for teaching HS math than most math courses I had to take. #Mathchat
1:08 am
giaimojosephine:
#mathchat Thank you for your great facilitation, Colin! Appreciated!
1:09 am
ColinTGraham:
@MrT_Ro We'll be revisiting today's topic on Monday... for those of you who didn't get enough today! http://bit.ly/codZeQ #mathchat
1:09 am
teachdig:
@mathheadinc Or things I already knew but there were not many options. #Mathchat
1:13 am
ColinTGraham:
@giaimojosephine Thanks for joining us Josephine, look forward to seeing you again #mathchat
1:14 am
mathheadinc:
@mathfour Oh yeah, THAT one I remember one :D #mathchat
1:14 am
mathheadinc:
@teachdig What state? #Mathchat
1:14 am
mathheadinc:
@ColinTGraham Good #mathchat, AGAIN!