Topic: Should we “fast track” students who show exceptional ability in mathematics?
As it happened on Friday, DATE 00:00 - 01:00 GMT
@millerblair @mathfour Welcome to your first #mathchat. What are your thoughts on 'fast tracking' students in Math? (not to steal @colintgraham 's lead) Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:02:34 +0000 - tweet id - #3 tweet details @mathfour @millerblair I guess we should start with a definition (or an idea of some definitions) of what "fast tracking" kiddos means. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:04:18 +0000 - tweet id - #4 tweet details @mathfour Hmm... seems I've destroyed the #mathchat version of What the Hashtag. Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:04:52 +0000 - tweet id - #5 tweet details @idearella Hmm... seems I've destroyed the #mathchat version of What the Hashtag. Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:04:52 +0000 - tweet id - #6 tweet details @suburbanlion This idea came up in 1/31 #mathchat about "Under 16s", but we tried to get back on topic. Archive: http://bit.ly/h9yNJf Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:04:53 +0000 - tweet id - #7 tweet details @MmeVeilleux #mathchat Do you mean moving them up one grade so they go to another tchr's class during math? Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:05:26 +0000 - tweet id - #8 tweet details @suburbanlion @MmeVeilleux yes, or accelerating curriculum in general #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:06:20 +0000 - tweet id - #9 tweet details @millerblair @mathfour For me 'fast-tracking' would mean moving above current grade level for other subjects or through objectives faster #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:06:34 +0000 - tweet id - #10 tweet details @MmeVeilleux #mathchat Or do you mean compressing the curric in class & tchr provides extensions in class? #fastracking Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:06:39 +0000 - tweet id - #11 tweet details @mathfour And how do you determine who gets moved up? Remember the old welding story? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:07:02 +0000 - tweet id - #12 tweet details @mathfour Take a group of people and give them a "test" - then tell them that some are born welders and some are not (randomly). #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:07:46 +0000 - tweet id - #13 tweet details @padgets #mathchat Hi everybody! My name is Sharon and I am a HS science teacher lurking and learning Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:07:58 +0000 - tweet id - #14 tweet details
@mathfour Turns out the ones labeled as "born welders" learned and excelled faster and better than the "loser welders" #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:08:11 +0000 - tweet id - #15 tweet details @mathfour I say we fast track the kids who aren't good at math. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:08:27 +0000 - tweet id - #16 tweet details @millerblair The issue needs to be addressed for all subjects - how do measure progress and group students. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:08:41 +0000 - tweet id - #17 tweet details @mathfour @padgets Hey there! We won't abuse you too badly ;-) #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:09:14 +0000 - tweet id - #18 tweet details @suburbanlion I, for one, skipped Alg2 & Pre-Calc to enter Calculus in grade 10. Of course, this was self-selected #fasttracking. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:09:27 +0000 - tweet id - #19 tweet details @padgets #mathchat in science class I have a gifted child who worked through Biology curriculum in 4 mos then she will go to APEX to finish the yr Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:09:55 +0000 - tweet id - #20 tweet details @padgets @mathfour :0) thanks! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:10:15 +0000 - tweet id - #21 tweet details @millerblair @mathfour @padgets is a regular around #mathchat and can handle herself just fine in the Math area - lots of valuable contributions :) Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:10:38 +0000 - tweet id - #22 tweet details @MmeVeilleux #mathchat As a general comment, grouping by ability can be good for high groups & devastating to low groups (due to stigma/self-concept) Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:10:40 +0000 - tweet id - #23 tweet details @mathfour @suburbanlion I was given the option of taking Algebra 2 and Geometry in the same year - and allowed to postpone Biology! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:10:41 +0000 - tweet id - #24 tweet details @mathfour @millerblair @padgets Aha! So the jokes on me! :) #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:11:17 +0000 - tweet id - #25 tweet details @padgets @millerblair #mathchat aww gee (scuff shoes blushing) thanks for the love! :0) Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:11:46 +0000 - tweet id - #26 tweet details @mathfour @millerblair @padgets Or "joke's" as it were. But this isn't #englishchat, is it? *cringe* #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:12:12 +0000 - tweet id - #27 tweet details @padgets #mathchat well, I am a math challenged science teacher looking to learn all I can to teach math better in my science classes :0) Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:12:29 +0000 - tweet id - #28 tweet details @mathfour @MmeVeilleux Yep - the welding scenario. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:12:42 +0000 - tweet id - #29 tweet details @millerblair @mmeveilleux Perhaps not changing grouping by age, but focus on structuring so that students progress on different objectives #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:13:45 +0000 - tweet id - #30 tweet details @mathfour I'm totally a fan of TweetChat now! It gives little highlight bars down the side for where you're mentioned and where you updated. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:14:24 +0000 - tweet id - #31 tweet details @suburbanlion @MmeVeilleux is there any way to get around the neg effects on low group, while still allowing high group to accelerate? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:14:34 +0000 - tweet id - #32 tweet details @MmeVeilleux #mathchat In a normal class, I would like to see challenges/extensions open 2all who can lrn concepts more quickly, ie. flexible 'label' Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:15:11 +0000 - tweet id - #33 tweet details @padgets #mathchat @suburbanlion I am doing what is called the agenda, allows for each child at work at their own pace Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:15:39 +0000 - tweet id - #34 tweet details @mathfour Maybe grouping lows with highs? And tell them they are equal? Let them go through some discovery things together? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:16:16 +0000 - tweet id - #35 tweet details @millerblair @suburbanlion @mmeveilleux I think it requires a monitoring, assessmnt & reporting system that reports on progress not class grade #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:16:33 +0000 - tweet id - #36 tweet details @mathfour I work in corporate training as well, and in a classroom we will typically try to group a faster learner with a slower one. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:17:23 +0000 - tweet id - #37 tweet details @millerblair RT @padgets: #mathchat @suburbanlion I am doing what is called the agenda, allows for each child at work at their own pace <== like this Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:17:46 +0000 - tweet id - #38 tweet details @suburbanlion @millerblair @padgets I like the idea of individual progress instead of grade level. Definitely not the system I grew up w/ tho. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:19:15 +0000 - tweet id - #39 tweet details @millerblair @mathfour A challenge of low/high in discovery is that high often recognises patterns first #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:19:26 +0000 - tweet id - #40 tweet details @padgets #mathchat did a week by week lesson plan for the whole unit and put it into a agenda page with learning targets, when finished Whyville next Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:19:41 +0000 - tweet id - #41 tweet details @mathfour RT @MmeVeilleux: Grouping by ability can be good for high groups & devastating to low groups (due to stigma/self-concept) #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:19:48 +0000 - tweet id - #42 tweet details @ColinTGraham Hello #mathchat! My computer decided to play up, and I got stuck in a traffic jam on the way home too! Glad to see you started without me! Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:19:53 +0000 - tweet id - #43 tweet details @mathfour @millerblair Then can we teach the high to teach the low? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:20:19 +0000 - tweet id - #44 tweet details @millerblair @suburbanlion Nor the system most of us grew up w/ or work in now. I did do self-pace Math from Gr10-12 progressed through units #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:20:40 +0000 - tweet id - #45 tweet details @MmeVeilleux #mathchat @padgets I will have to check out Whyville. I keep hearing it mentioned. Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:21:07 +0000 - tweet id - #46 tweet details @michaeleve_mas #mathchat Most students can group themselves by ability in maths. you can't con them by saying that all are equal. They know that's false. Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:21:37 +0000 - tweet id - #47 tweet details @ColinTGraham @mathfour What happens if the high don't want to be teachers..? They are there to learn, after all #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:22:08 +0000 - tweet id - #48 tweet details @mathfour Letting a fast learner teach allows them to figure out new and better ways to look at things. Fast tracking without grouping! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:22:14 +0000 - tweet id - #49 tweet details @millerblair @colintgraham Glad you made it, still lots of time left and no waiting around here:) #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:22:19 +0000 - tweet id - #50 tweet details @padgets #mathchat I do not have higher kids teach low kids I think it takes advantage of them Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:22:37 +0000 - tweet id - #51 tweet details @mathfour @michaeleve_mas You may be right - unless we get them early enough.#mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:22:49 +0000 - tweet id - #52 tweet details @ColinTGraham @millerblair Ah, well Monday #mathchat people seem to be a lot more reluctant, Blair! Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:23:20 +0000 - tweet id - #53 tweet details @mathfour @MmeVeilleux @padgets Man! That Whyville looks freaking cool!#mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:23:23 +0000 - tweet id - #54 tweet details @millerblair Why do we perpetuate the notion that a student is always low or high in math. I find "lower" students can be high on some topics #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:24:00 +0000 - tweet id - #55 tweet details @mathfour @ColinTGraham @millerblair Is that why they get 1.5 hours - takes 'em a while to warm up? :D #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:24:07 +0000 - tweet id - #56 tweet details @ColinTGraham Did we define what "fast track" meant in terms of class room management? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:24:35 +0000 - tweet id - #57 tweet details @mathfour @padgets How do you mean? How does it take advantage of them?#mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:24:36 +0000 - tweet id - #58 tweet details @cybraryman1 How about self-directed learning? http://bit.ly/9Z9VLW #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:24:59 +0000 - tweet id - #59 tweet details @michaeleve_mas #mathchat We often really learn something when we have to try to explain it to someone else. Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:25:41 +0000 - tweet id - #60 tweet details @padgets #mathchat They work hard at being good students, others try to cheat off of them, they do not progress as they should Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:25:42 +0000 - tweet id - #61 tweet details @ColinTGraham @mathfour No, I'd do 1.5 on a Thursday/Friday too, but it's already late here, Bon! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:25:43 +0000 - tweet id - #62 tweet details @mathfour @ColinTGraham :D who loves you, baby? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:26:39 +0000 - tweet id - #63 tweet details @mathfour Exactly! RT @michaeleve_mas: #mathchat We often really learn something when we have to try to explain it to someone else. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:27:06 +0000 - tweet id - #64 tweet details @ColinTGraham @michaeleve_mas I think increasing levels of discussion/communication is definitely important, Michael, not teaching though...?#mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:27:24 +0000 - tweet id - #65 tweet details @mathfour @padgets AH! I see. Maybe they need some individual training on how to help without giving away the farm? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:27:49 +0000 - tweet id - #66 tweet details @ColinTGraham @padgets How do you distinguish between cheating, laziness and lack of motivation, Sharon? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:28:06 +0000 - tweet id - #67 tweet details @mathfour @ColinTGraham @padgets ... or bordom? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:29:03 +0000 - tweet id - #68 tweet details @millerblair I find 'ability' grouping works best on problems where there is no defined right answer & intuitive reasoning plays a role #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:29:40 +0000 - tweet id - #69 tweet details @ColinTGraham @mathfour Boredom is not something I accept. If you are bored and say so, then that is laziness to me... find something to do! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:30:13 +0000 - tweet id - #70 tweet details @padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat well, some constantly looking at the others paper, asking to leave the room, papers the same, not asking questions Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:30:44 +0000 - tweet id - #71 tweet details @mathfour @ColinTGraham But it's a kid! How is a kid to know he's bored?#mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:31:02 +0000 - tweet id - #72 tweet details @MmeVeilleux #mathchat @ColinTGraham @mathfour I expressed a similar sentiment on gifted chat re: boredom & got lambasted. Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:31:32 +0000 - tweet id - #73 tweet details @ColinTGraham Would any of you take a student out of one year group and put them in a higher one (as happened to me, disasterously I feel)? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:31:43 +0000 - tweet id - #74 tweet details @mathfour @ColinTGraham And what they do is act up. If it's too easy, then why shouldn't I cheat and then act up? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:31:46 +0000 - tweet id - #75 tweet details @millerblair @mathfour @michaeleve_mas Teaching right after learning a concept is not an easy skill. Takes practice & time to refine understdg #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:31:51 +0000 - tweet id - #76 tweet details @mathfour @millerblair @michaeleve_mas I don't buy that at all. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:32:50 +0000 - tweet id - #77 tweet details @padgets #mathchat we move kids to Algebra I when our math teachers feel they can handle it even in the middle of the year Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:33:31 +0000 - tweet id - #78 tweet details @EarlSamuelson Samuelson Mathxp: check out my notes on Differential Calculushttp://t.co/DNP7Gdf #in #mathchat #onlineteaching #onlinelearning Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:33:53 +0000 - tweet id - #79 tweet details @ColinTGraham @mathfour Behaviour when children have lost interest isn't the same as saying I'm bored. Early finishers do need attention, though #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:34:03 +0000 - tweet id - #80 tweet details @millerblair @colintgraham Have done. We have a challenge process in our dept. for moving students up a grade level-needs careful selection #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:34:03 +0000 - tweet id - #81 tweet details @cybraryman1 @ColinTGraham Early finishers should be given additional tasks or work with their fellow students who don't get it and need help #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:34:51 +0000 - tweet id - #82 tweet details @ColinTGraham Jo Boaler has suggested that mixed ability groups are probably best in early years, particularly for mathematics #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:35:27 +0000 - tweet id - #83 tweet details @mathfour @ColinTGraham I see - I'm referring to the "lost interest" type of boredom, not the declared boredom. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:35:29 +0000 - tweet id - #84 tweet details @mathfour RT @cybraryman1: @ColinTGraham Early finishers should be given additional tasks/work with their peers who dont get it/need help #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:35:57 +0000 - tweet id - #85 tweet details @mathfour @millerblair @michaeleve_mas I should explain why I don't buy that, though. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:36:27 +0000 - tweet id - #86 tweet details @ColinTGraham @mathfour Yes, the 'lost interest' is a teacher problem, "I'm bored" is a student problem. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:36:41 +0000 - tweet id - #87 tweet details @Saskateach RT @ColinTGraham: Jo Boaler has suggested that mixed ability groups are probably best in early years, particularly for mathematics #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:36:51 +0000 - tweet id - #88 tweet details @millerblair @mathfour Interesting that you don't agree. Are we talking explaining the concept or teaching an algorithm? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:37:05 +0000 - tweet id - #89 tweet details @mathfour @millerblair @michaeleve_mas If they are fast learners, they will pick up the process and then be able to reiterate. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:37:16 +0000 - tweet id - #90 tweet details @MmeVeilleux RT @ColinTGraham: @mathfour Yes, the 'lost interest' is a teacher problem, "I'm bored" is a student problem. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:37:31 +0000 - tweet id - #91 tweet details @Saskateach @ColinTGraham Early finishers often get the fun engaging math opportunities. Need to be sure to allow all to access. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:38:11 +0000 - tweet id - #92 tweet details @mathfour @millerblair @michaeleve_mas Then by teaching, they firm it up and start to discover the theory. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:38:13 +0000 - tweet id - #93 tweet details @padgets #mathchat @millerblair ok those math terms again he he he :0) what is an algorithm? Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:38:20 +0000 - tweet id - #94 tweet details @millerblair @mathfour @michaeleve_mas For me teaching a set of steps/process is much different then guiding through learning a concept #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:38:36 +0000 - tweet id - #95 tweet details @MmeVeilleux RT @Saskateach: @ColinTGraham Early finishers often get the fun engaging math opportunities. Need to be sure to allow all to access. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:39:00 +0000 - tweet id - #96 tweet details @ColinTGraham I think by 13 or 14 students can handle working with older age groups in subjects. For early years, maybe age groups are impt. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:39:36 +0000 - tweet id - #97 tweet details @mathfour @millerblair As they teach the algorithm, they learn the concept. Then they start to firm it up so they can also teach the concept #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:39:38 +0000 - tweet id - #98 tweet details @millerblair @padgets Algorithm a defined set of steps from one point to another#mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:39:47 +0000 - tweet id - #99 tweet details @michaeleve_mas @mathfour - I think I'm on your side of that point. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:40:16 +0000 - tweet id - #100 tweet details @peter_lydon @cybraryman1 http://www.chrismeistre.co.za/tag/cone-of-learning#mathchat #artsed Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:40:24 +0000 - tweet id - #101 tweet details @ColinTGraham @Saskateach I think we also need to be very careful about 'rewarding' excellence in maths with something which is seen as 'fun' #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:40:40 +0000 - tweet id - #102 tweet details @padgets @millerblair #mathchat thanks! Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:40:40 +0000 - tweet id - #103 tweet details @mathfour @padgets Algorithm is fancy math term for "step by step process" - and better for twitter! :D #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:40:50 +0000 - tweet id - #104 tweet details
@padgets @mathfour #mathchat :0) thanks Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:41:13 +0000 - tweet id - #105 tweet details @MmeVeilleux #mathchat @ColinTGraham What was your disastrous experience w/being moved ahead? Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:41:22 +0000 - tweet id - #106 tweet details @ColinTGraham @padgets Algorithm is a set of instructions or steps which is usually followed. A pre-set procedure, if you like.... #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:41:37 +0000 - tweet id - #107 tweet details @padgets #mathchat @ColinTGraham gottcha! :0) Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:42:11 +0000 - tweet id - #108 tweet details @mathfour @MmeVeilleux @ColinTGraham Oh yeah - do tell! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:42:43 +0000 - tweet id - #109 tweet details @ColinTGraham @MmeVeilleux I was already young in the school year and got put in a class a year above, so two years between me and the rest... #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:42:52 +0000 - tweet id - #110 tweet details @Saskateach Just need to be careful that ss don't focus on algorithm steps so much that they loose site of understand the concept #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:42:54 +0000 - tweet id - #111 tweet details @padgets #mathchat so like in science the scientific method Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:42:55 +0000 - tweet id - #112 tweet details @millerblair @millerblair Being able to teach or use an algorithm to solve a problem does not mean you understand the concept/reason for use #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:42:57 +0000 - tweet id - #113 tweet details @mathfour @ColinTGraham Oh! Bless your heart! It was you! *hugs* #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:43:32 +0000 - tweet id - #114 tweet details @millerblair Oops really didn't mean to reply to myself - doh! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:43:42 +0000 - tweet id - #115 tweet details @ColinTGraham @mathfour @MmeVeilleux It was actually a traumatic experience for me... at age 9, particularly because the new teacher was crap #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:44:20 +0000 - tweet id - #116 tweet details @mathfour @padgets E X A C T L Y (if I remember the sci meth right... *cringe*)#mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:44:26 +0000 - tweet id - #117 tweet details @ccampbel14 Sorry, I am late everyone. Your chat looks interesting tonight. Challenging with such range of abilities in math, #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:44:28 +0000 - tweet id - #118 tweet details @MmeVeilleux @ColinTGraham #mathchat Ouch! I agree that ss R more likely to handle it well in HS. Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:44:48 +0000 - tweet id - #119 tweet details @mathfour @millerblair Nope, but you gotta start somewhere. Daughter (17mo) hasn't a clue about politeness, but her NO is a "no ma'am" #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:45:21 +0000 - tweet id - #120 tweet details @padgets @mathfour #mathchat that is ok, I am sure I have forgotten some math stuff too! that is why I come everyweek :0) Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:45:23 +0000 - tweet id - #121 tweet details @ColinTGraham So, everyone now knows my views about "fast tracking" are extremely coloured! It could be handled with combined age classes, tho' #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:45:33 +0000 - tweet id - #122 tweet details @mathfour I love this man: RT @millerblair: Oops really didnt mean to reply to myself - doh! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:45:44 +0000 - tweet id - #123 tweet details @mathfour @ColinTGraham @MmeVeilleux Freaking sucks! But you recovered, some don't. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:46:17 +0000 - tweet id - #124 tweet details @ColinTGraham And compound it by pointing it out Blair! Recursion... RT @millerblair: Oops really didn't mean to reply to myself - doh! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:46:30 +0000 - tweet id - #125 tweet details @ccampbel14 I believe in enrichment, not acceleration, which is what happened to @ColinTGraham. Difficult for a teacher to do this well. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:46:31 +0000 - tweet id - #126 tweet details @MmeVeilleux @mathfour #mathchat I think that is b/c youR from Texas :) Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:46:35 +0000 - tweet id - #127 tweet details @Saskateach Wondering why differentiating in the classroom for math students is so much more difficult than any other subject. Thoughts? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:47:10 +0000 - tweet id - #128 tweet details @MrsC_teach @ColinTGraham through what age are "early years"? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:47:20 +0000 - tweet id - #129 tweet details @ColinTGraham @Saskateach Is it more difficult or do we just pretend it is? Or are other teachers more successful at hiding the issues? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:48:02 +0000 - tweet id - #130 tweet details @ccampbel14 @Saskateach I haven't figured that out but I believe that differentiating in math is harder than English, for example. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:48:17 +0000 - tweet id - #131 tweet details @mathfour @MmeVeilleux Yes, ma'am. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:48:38 +0000 - tweet id - #132 tweet details @ColinTGraham @MrsC_teach For me early years was 3-7 (Scotland has/had very good nursery education). #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:49:10 +0000 - tweet id - #133 tweet details @millerblair @colintgraham True - never said I was the smartest one in the group, but the recursive nature does point to my ICT bckgrd;) #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:49:13 +0000 - tweet id - #134 tweet details @markbethune @Saskateach depends whether you are differentiating instruction/process or assessment. Alternative assessments are easy to prepare#mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:50:01 +0000 - tweet id - #135 tweet details @ColinTGraham @ccampbel14 Or is it the nature of mathematicians to be more precise/concerned about differentiating? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:50:15 +0000 - tweet id - #136 tweet details @Saskateach @ColinTGraham All good questions. I think it has a lot to do w/ teacher comfort/understanding of the subject& reliance on programs.#mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:50:22 +0000 - tweet id - #137 tweet details @padgets #mathchat my team member says she has a hard time with differentiation her math class because with 30 kids she does not have 30 lessons Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:50:31 +0000 - tweet id - #138 tweet details @ccampbel14 In math, concepts build on each other so gaps are really obvious. We must help fill in the gaps for the struggling students but... #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:50:53 +0000 - tweet id - #139 tweet details @ccampbel14 also extend for students who are more able. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:51:02 +0000 - tweet id - #140 tweet details @michaeleve_mas @Saskateach Because dif'n in Maths is often by task, in many other areas it can be by outcome? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:51:23 +0000 - tweet id - #141 tweet details @ColinTGraham @padgets There could be as much as a two-year gap, but I can't believe 30 totally different on some areas of curriculum! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:51:40 +0000 - tweet id - #142 tweet details @mathfour I had a kid in my HS class who could solve basic linear equations in his head. Said he didn't know what work there was to show. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:52:05 +0000 - tweet id - #143 tweet details @ColinTGraham @michaeleve_mas Differentiation was our first #mathchat topic, and a subject I have a great interest in. Most issues relate to outcome Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:52:45 +0000 - tweet id - #144 tweet details @ccampbel14 @padgets I used to think that I needed lessons 4 each student too, but learning to use open & parallel ?s & it supports all Ss #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:52:45 +0000 - tweet id - #145 tweet details @Saskateach Good point RT @michaeleve_mas: @Saskateach Because dif'n in Maths is often by task, in many other areas it can be by outcome? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:52:52 +0000 - tweet id - #146 tweet details @mathfour @ccampbel14 I disagree - I think all the concepts are the same, just from different directions. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:53:02 +0000 - tweet id - #147 tweet details @padgets #mathchat really wants to let the gifted ones excel, the sped ones get extar help and the ELL have them in their languages, I said good luck Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:53:03 +0000 - tweet id - #148 tweet details @mathfour I tell my students that all math is the same, no matter what level. It's just a different way to look at it. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:53:33 +0000 - tweet id - #149 tweet details @ColinTGraham @michaeleve_mas The outcome=the answer/product. Fast tracking for me is often based too much on outcomes or answer-finding #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:53:39 +0000 - tweet id - #150 tweet details @ccampbel14 @mathfour Not sure what you disagree with. Lost the thread...#mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:53:45 +0000 - tweet id - #151 tweet details @michaeleve_mas @mathfour If student does 3x+2=14 in head, get them to do 47x+95=643. Will need method. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:53:51 +0000 - tweet id - #152 tweet details @padgets #mathchat I think it would be difficult in a math class I have a challenging time in science Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:54:08 +0000 - tweet id - #153 tweet details @mathfour @mathfour Then I watched with a brand new question. He really did it in his head. Pretty sure his next teacher couldn't see it. :( #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:54:42 +0000 - tweet id - #154 tweet details @Saskateach @mathfour YES. I think so too. It really is about big ideas!!! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:55:17 +0000 - tweet id - #155 tweet details @mathfour @michaeleve_mas I'm not kidding, this kid did 3x + 17 = 4 in his head. Craziest thing ever. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:55:21 +0000 - tweet id - #156 tweet details @ColinTGraham @michaeleve_mas Or you question the necessity to perform such calculations exactly, as a mental operation, & teach approximating? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:55:23 +0000 - tweet id - #157 tweet details @ccampbel14 @Saskateach @mathfour I agree that the big ideas are important & that is the same across the grades. Also #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:57:07 +0000 - tweet id - #158 tweet details @mathfour This one: RT @ccampbel14: concepts build on each other so gaps are really obvious. We must help ... #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:57:09 +0000 - tweet id - #159 tweet details @ColinTGraham @mathfour I have had two students who did 'proper' maths in their heads and did not see the point in writing out intervening steps #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:59:36 +0000 - tweet id - #160 tweet details @mathfour It's 7pm here and a 17mo Daughter is ready for food. I gotta sign off, y'all. Catch you next week (and maybe a bit on Monday). #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:59:47 +0000 - tweet id - #161 tweet details @ccampbel14 @mathfour Thanks. I guess I was thinking that students who lack number sense, for eg, struggle in all strands & can see the impact #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:59:50 +0000 - tweet id - #162 tweet details @Saskateach @ccampbel14 @mathfour Problem is seeing big ideas is difficult. Probably b/c we were never asked to make connections #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:00:12 +0000 - tweet id - #163 tweet details @markbethune @michaeleve_mas @mathfour or move them on to quadratic equations! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:00:26 +0000 - tweet id - #164 tweet details @millerblair @ccampbel14 @Saskateach @mathfour @colintgraham Maybe this is a future #mathchat topic: What is progression of 'big ideas' in math? Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:01:04 +0000 - tweet id - #165 tweet details @Saskateach @millerblair That would be gr8!! So much to learn myself. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:02:11 +0000 - tweet id - #166 tweet details @ColinTGraham @millerblair Yes, Blair, add it to the list! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:02:15 +0000 - tweet id - #167 tweet details @ccampbel14 @Saskateach @mathfour I agree-think finding math big ideas is challenging. When I began teaching I got caught up in little details #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:02:19 +0000 - tweet id - #168 tweet details @suburbanlion @ColinTGraham interesting story: skipping 2 years at age 9. Maybe I was fortunate for skipping ahead when older. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:02:52 +0000 - tweet id - #169 tweet details @fnoschese RT @dgende: Use Angry Birds for teaching physics. Read @occam98's lesson on Projectile Motion http://bit.ly/fkgSuv #scichat #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:03:38 +0000 - tweet id - #170 tweet details @ccampbel14 Does anyone have a good resources that shows the progression of big ideas in math? Enduring ideas & concepts we should empahsize? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:04:01 +0000 - tweet id - #171 tweet details @Saskateach @ccampbel14 Yes focus on details makes it harder to see the whole"game". Need to make connections then differentiation can happen #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:04:40 +0000 - tweet id - #172 tweet details @ColinTGraham OK it's that time again everyone! Thanks for your contributions and add some more ideas to the Google doc: http://bit.ly/id9SSA #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:04:59 +0000 - tweet id - #173 tweet details @padgets #mathchat well, time to go to work, grad class, thank you for letting me lurk and learn, take care, stay safe and tweet you all later :0) Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:05:23 +0000 - tweet id - #174 tweet details @ccampbel14 @Saskateach It is like the expression, you can't see the forest for the trees! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:05:24 +0000 - tweet id - #175 tweet details @Saskateach @ccampbel14 Big Ideas by Dr Small is good. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:05:52 +0000 - tweet id - #176 tweet details @ccampbel14 @zbpipe @saskateach @mathfour Wish we were...challeging to do this for math. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:06:14 +0000 - tweet id - #177 tweet details @ColinTGraham @suburbanlion It's coloured a lot of my ideas about how education should be done, particularly in primary schools, Ryan. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:06:21 +0000 - tweet id - #178 tweet details @ccampbel14 @Saskateach That's the series I use:-) Have found it the best so far. John Van de Walle's books are similar but prefer Small's. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:07:25 +0000 - tweet id - #179 tweet details @Saskateach @ccampbel14 I've been reading Making Learning Whole. Good links to learning math. Importance of not isolating pieces #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:07:34 +0000 - tweet id - #180 tweet details @ColinTGraham I am thinking about a different approach for March, as an experiment... How do you feel about having a "How do I...?" month #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:07:43 +0000 - tweet id - #181 tweet details @Scorgo @Saskateach bc we believe it's linear and one way. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:07:57 +0000 - tweet id - #182 tweet details @ccampbel14 @Saskateach Who wrote that book? I just began reading Liping Ma's book so should see some big picture things, I think. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:08:21 +0000 - tweet id - #183 tweet details @ColinTGraham The idea would be to have a much more specific and focused discussion on a specific area, such as "How do I teach fractions?"... #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:08:48 +0000 - tweet id - #184 tweet details @markbethune @ccampbel14 I think that #myp encompasses many of the big ideas that we wish our students to aspire to #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:09:14 +0000 - tweet id - #185 tweet details @millerblair @saskateach @ccampbel14 Agree. Had a Pro-D workshop w/ Dr. Marian Small on 'Big Ideas' last week-good differentiation strategies #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:09:31 +0000 - tweet id - #186 tweet details @ColinTGraham Tweet me, if you think this is something you'd like to do... and add suggestions to http://bit.ly/id9SSA !! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:09:42 +0000 - tweet id - #187 tweet details @ccampbel14 @markbethune What is #myp? #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:10:20 +0000 - tweet id - #188 tweet details @millerblair @colintgraham I like the "How do I teach..." discussion proposal, though I'm going to be missing #mathchat for the next month :( Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:11:32 +0000 - tweet id - #189 tweet details @ccampbel14 @millerblair @saskateach Think Small's ideas make differentiating math possible & not too overwhelming. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:12:07 +0000 - tweet id - #190 tweet details michaeleve_mas goodnight #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:12:45 +0000 - tweet id - #191 tweet details @ColinTGraham @millerblair Well, we'll see how things go Blair... if the experiment is successful maybe it'll go on beyond March! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:13:09 +0000 - tweet id - #192 tweet details @ccampbel14 @ColinTGraham Think a "How do I ..." would be very beneficial. I understand the math but teaching it several ways is hard. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:13:25 +0000 - tweet id - #193 tweet details @Scorgo @ccampbel14 @saskateach Bender has a good di book as well.http://j.mp/eauh4T #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:13:51 +0000 - tweet id - #194 tweet details @ColinTGraham @michaeleve_mas Thanks for joining us Michael! Hope to see you again. #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:13:59 +0000 - tweet id - #195 tweet details @ColinTGraham Remember to follow the new tweeps! and also follow @mathchat to keep up to date with new topics. Archive in 30 minutes or so! #mathchat Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:15:34 +0000 - tweet id - #196 tweet details