Topic (follow-up to Friday, 21st January 2011):
What type of CPD do mathematics teachers need for the coming decade?
As it happened on Monday, 24th January 2011, 20:30 - 22:00 GMT
8:30 pm
MmeVeilleux:
@mathchat What does CPD stand for? #mathchat
8:33 pm
ColinTGraham:
Hello everyone and welcome to today's #mathchat
8:34 pm
ColinTGraham:
Today's topic is: "What type of CPD do maths teachers need for the coming decade?" CPD = continuing professional development #mathchat
8:36 pm
ColinTGraham:
One aspect of teaching that is definitely going to affect us is the rising use of technology. How do you see this impacting on PD? #mathchat
8:39 pm
ColinTGraham:
No-one #mathchat-ing today?
8:41 pm
chris_1974:
Once again #mathchat is going to come back to the need to teach higher level thinking skills. problem solving etc, imho.
8:41 pm
tweetpmo:
All those students! Multiplier effect. RT@davidwees: One student: "Now all those math teachers have examples of linear functions."#mathchat
8:42 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat Math pro-d in the next decade should be predominantly FREE because of online sharing.
8:42 pm
republicofmath:
CPD that develops deep, long-term, sustainable relationships between PD provider and teachers. #mathchat
8:42 pm
ColinTGraham:
@chris_1974 Do you feel, then that enough of the current maths teachers can handle this type of shift? If not, how does PD work? #mathchat
8:43 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat Example: Dan Meyer's TED talk affirmed ideas I already had about math and I like his summary in the motto 'be less helpful.'
8:43 pm
ColinTGraham:
@MmeVeilleux Free in the sense of not paid for? Free in the sense of open source/copyright etc? or both? #mathchat
8:44 pm
republicofmath:
Some PD requires considerable expertise @MmeVeilleux Math PD in next decade should be predom FREE because of online sharing #mathchat
8:44 pm
ColinTGraham:
@republicofmath What choices should we be making in terms of providers of PD? What do/should we look for, Gary? #mathchat
8:44 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @republicofmath I agree that long-term sustainable relationships are needed for CPD.
8:44 pm
chris_1974:
@ColinTGraham I think most maths teachers - new & experienced (not nec same as yng & old) see the need, and want to. its just how.#mathchat
8:45 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat We need CPD relationships that both challenge and support (and inspire) all parties.
8:46 pm
republicofmath:
Different math teachers need different PD. E.g. Elementary teachers often need PD on children's counting development. #mathchat
8:46 pm
ColinTGraham:
One thing I see happening is the shift towards peer-to-peer PD, in TeachMeets, online collaboration and so on #mathchat
8:46 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @davidwees I appreciate the stu work samples and instructions you have posted. They are gr8 examples of CPD that we need.
8:47 pm
chris_1974:
agree RT @ColinTGraham: 1 thing I C happening is the shift towards peer-to-peer PD, in TeachMeets, online collaboration & so on #mathchat.
8:47 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat What helps me improve my practice is seeing 'worked examples' of how to set up gr8 math probs & the stu work that was produced.
8:47 pm
republicofmath:
Much PD in Australia is done by Australian Council for Educational Research - non-profit organization with long, deep reputation #mathchat
8:48 pm
ColinTGraham:
The danger or challenge with peer-to-peer is that it can tend to be a pool of teachers who are already interested/see the need... #mathchat
8:49 pm
republicofmath:
With peer-to-peer you only know what you know. What about those issues about which teachers have little or no idea? #mathchat
8:49 pm
chris_1974:
I value blogs where people share ideas, and have used ideas explicitly (e.g. @knikidavies) in classroom. More teachers should blog #mathchat
8:49 pm
ColinTGraham:
@republicofmath The NCETM (in UK) provides a lot of excellent resources online for PD at all levels of experience. #mathchat
8:50 pm
ColinTGraham:
@chris_1974 Which gives more blogs to read, less time to write blogs,... ;-) #mathchat
8:50 pm
chris_1974:
@ColinTGraham @republicofmath agree. @NCETM provides some fabuluos case studies and PD. #mathchat
8:50 pm
republicofmath:
Yes - more teacher blogging! @chris_1974 value blogs where people share ideas, have used ideas in classroom. #mathchat
8:51 pm
chris_1974:
@ColinTGraham there is always that!! #mathchat
8:51 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @republicofmath I think peer2peer is imp PD but also being guided by gr8 bks, thinkers, experts to continue to raise levelofconvo
8:51 pm
davidwees:
Thanks for everyone's help that added examples of linear functions to the spreadsheet. You really helped start a useful list. #mathchat
8:51 pm
republicofmath:
I'm all for an internationally recognized math(s) PD training qualification @ColinTGraham #mathchat
8:52 pm
ColinTGraham:
One of the major problems, and a task I am setting myself, is the filtering of the sheer volume of information available #mathchat
8:52 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat P2P (same level PD) allows ppl to muck around and explore ideas + P2expert allows new/high quality input (next level) = ideal
8:53 pm
mathattck:
We need a complete re-think about "What math to teach, and how to teach it." Curriculum is impractical. http://is.gd/FdVxq8 #mathchat
8:53 pm
ColinTGraham:
@republicofmath Most of that seems to happen through people doing a Masters or Diploma... however, the @p2pu may provide an outlet #mathchat
8:54 pm
ColinTGraham:
@MmeVeilleux The mentor PLN that @teachingwthsoul has started up may provide that higher level of expertise within peer2peer #mathchat
8:54 pm
republicofmath:
AUS colleague doing elem math PD consistently has her experience & quals challenged till she pulls out amazing extensive CV #mathchat
8:56 pm
ColinTGraham:
@mathattck I don't think anyone would disagree about impractical curricula. What can be done with PD to work within constraints? #mathchat
8:56 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat My SD has study groups (informal, free, after school, led by an expert) for almost any PD topic you could hope for. It's gr8.
8:56 pm
republicofmath:
@ColinTGraham. I feel Masters (MEd?) not enough to qualify for deep, sustained PD. On job experience & deeper study required IMO #mathchat
8:56 pm
davidwees:
@MmeVeilleux Interesting question. How do we provide feedback w/o being too helpful & taking over thinking for students. #mathchat
8:57 pm
ColinTGraham:
@republicofmath Is that comparing a US Masters against a UK one? Many UK MEds are based on in-class, practical research... #mathchat
8:58 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @davidwees I think we need more blogging about what kind of questions to ask. Gr8 tchrs must ask gr8 questions.
8:58 pm
ColinTGraham:
@republicofmath There's also a difference between doing a Masters and then teaching, versus teaching and then doing a Masters #mathchat
8:58 pm
Sundayteatime:
@ColinTGraham I have that trouble too. Google reader really helped me. Think online classrooms will be used more for training #mathchat
8:59 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat I hope flipcams 2 record stu thinking re: math allows for re-watching and higher quality analysis by the stu themselves.
9:00 pm
ColinTGraham:
@davidwees That type of feedback is probably going to be centred around questions rather than statements, maybe... #mathchat
9:01 pm
davidwees:
@ColinTGraham Yes, exactly. Good point. "Nice work, here are some questions I have. How can you...?" #mathchat
9:01 pm
mathattck:
@ColinTGraham A big contraint is that teachers need to make time to make lateral PD networks. Get focus PD, too, as @MmeVeilleux #mathchat
9:01 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Sundayteatime How many people can use filtering tools, such as Google Reader, well though? #mathchat
9:01 pm
republicofmath:
@ColinTGraham Never seen Master's (MEd) that prepares teachers (practising or prospective) to run deep PD. Do you know any? #mathchat
9:02 pm
republicofmath:
@MmeVeilleux Absolutely. Talked about video in classrooms decades ago in Hawaii. Flipcams ideal for instant replay. #mathchat
9:02 pm
ColinTGraham:
@republicofmath A good deal of the MSc run by Aston University for TESL involved an action research focus... Open Uni in UK too... #mathchat
9:03 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @mathattck @ColinTGraham I don't think that the need to cr8 lateral networks is a prob but a challenge 2embrace!
9:04 pm
ColinTGraham:
@mathattck Time is always going to be an issue, so maybe a move towards non-synchronous PD groups will become more practical #mathchat
9:04 pm
republicofmath:
@ColinTGraham And me too when I was Professor of Education at Soton, but still not good PD qual IMO #mathchat
9:05 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @davidwees Another response to stu: "Could I invite you to share your diagram on the board for the class to see?"
9:05 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @republicofmath Glad the flipcam idea came back b/c I've only heard about it recently :)
9:05 pm
ColinTGraham:
@republicofmath What would you like to see in a quality (accredited) qualification for PD, then, Gary? #mathchat
9:06 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @republicofmath Perhaps the quest for rewards (degree, etc) is at odds w/intrinsic motivation 2lrn among tchrs??
9:06 pm
mathattck:
@ColinTGraham Exactly, lateral PD means teacher to teacher, networked, so not nec. synchronous. Teacher initiated, though. #mathchat
9:06 pm
republicofmath:
@MmeVeilleux @davidwees Late Jim Kaput used wireless calculators so results of calculation could ONLY be seen in front of class #mathchat
9:07 pm
ColinTGraham:
@mathattck Teacher initiation can also be supported/encouraged by school management, particularly in times of budget restrictions #mathchat
9:08 pm
republicofmath:
@ColinTGraham I have a truly marvelous model of deep, sustainable math PD, but the Twitter space is too small for me to write it! #mathchat
9:08 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat The best PD 4me shares math tchg as a story esp w/visual supports (work samples, audio, vid, etc). Big ideas + context @same time
9:08 pm
ColinTGraham:
@republicofmath You Fermat, you! #mathchat
9:09 pm
republicofmath:
@ColinTGraham I think I'm going to get my expert PD colleague to blog bout it #mathchat
9:09 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat Does anyone have professional 'book clubs' at their school? eg. to read the Teaching Gap (v. accessible) or other bks of interest?
9:10 pm
republicofmath:
@ColinTGraham Here! Watch your language! I'll give you "Fermat"! #mathchat
9:10 pm
ColinTGraham:
OK, a personal question. What aspects of your teaching do you see yourself doing/needing PD on during the next year or so? #mathchat
9:10 pm
Sundayteatime:
@ColinTGraham maybe that's the first step for cpd. Our last session was on using ncetm website. #mathchat
9:10 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @republicofmath Can you explain more about the wireless calculator? What is the advantage??
9:12 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @ColinTGraham My current PD goal is 2 begin using flipcams as metacog tool for stu & 2reflect on how best 2do this.
9:12 pm
republicofmath:
@ColinTGraham I need work on maintaining student interest. Some colleagues could use input on nature of memory in math teaching #mathchat
9:13 pm
ColinTGraham:
We've heard from @mmeveillieux about PD at her school. How is it organized in your job/work? What would you like to see change? #mathchat
9:13 pm
neilstephenson:
"For me, this experience has changed everything about teaching #math" : http://bit.ly/ecWgvb #abed#inquiry #mathchat
9:14 pm
mathattck:
#mathchat @ColinTGraham Personal PD: How to incorporate technology to communicate, store, create, share mathematics between students.
9:14 pm
republicofmath:
@MmeVeilleux When students see result of calculation only in common space, different part of brain is used & reflection stimulated #mathchat
9:15 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat Does any do demo lessons for peers w/pre- and post-conference 2analyse?? (onsite or off?)
9:15 pm
Sundayteatime:
@MmeVeilleux ooh what a great idea. We don't. I tried to set up a fiction book group but had little interest #mathchat
9:15 pm
Jeff_shoemaker:
RT @ColinTGraham: OK, a personal question. What aspects of your teaching do you see yourself doing/needing PD on during the next year or so? #mathchat
9:15 pm
ColinTGraham:
@MatthewJeffreys Hi Matthew, welcome to Twitter. #mathchat is happening now! Follow @mathchat to keep up to date!
9:15 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @republicofmath That is fascinating. I will have 2C if I can try this out 2observe this phenomenon. thx
9:16 pm
republicofmath:
Very, very nice @Neilstephenson "For me, this experience has changed everything about teaching #math" http://bit.ly/ecWgvb #mathchat
9:16 pm
Janshs:
late to #mathchat again; recent blog post wot I wrote about CPD, would love comments if you get a chace sometime pls http://t.co/zCOWoet
9:17 pm
republicofmath:
@MmeVeilleux Check out Kaput Center at U Mass Dartmouth #mathchat
9:17 pm
ColinTGraham:
My PD is focused on two areas: helping/mentoring use of Twitter etc. and putting together demo lessons/masterclasses to take round #mathchat
9:17 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @republicofmath I recently googled 'infographics' 4inspiration 4math lessons. Lots of photo montages 4starting pts.
9:19 pm
ColinTGraham:
@republicofmath A similar effect can be achieved by giving students the answer b4 starting, so the focus becomes more procedural. #mathchat
9:19 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @republicofmath I will check out the Kaput Center. TY.
9:20 pm
mathattck:
@MmeVeilleux We have a coaching model for pre/post math lessons, generally teacher does the lesson. http://is.gd/5Uohgc #mathchat
9:20 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Sundayteatime Another possibility is to have one person do keypoint presntns from a text, 3 people cover 3 books in 3 sessions #mathchat
9:21 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Janshs Hi Jan! #mathchat
9:21 pm
Janshs:
@ColinTGraham hi Colin - what've I missed? seems like a mix of PD talk and ideas for engaging stdts? #mathchat
9:22 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Janshs Topic is What CPD do mathematics teachers need for the coming decade? We've also shared our personal PD goals #mathchat
9:23 pm
mathattck:
Very nice! @Neilstephenson #Inquiry example in #math, boreal forest, Grade 6. #mathchat
9:23 pm
republicofmath:
@ColinTGraham Doing calculations uses motor memory; discussing which is your result among many is declarative, so relational #mathchat
9:25 pm
ColinTGraham:
And while people are plugging blogs... ;-) I'll put a plug in for: CPD through Twitter for Maths Teachershttp://bit.ly/hMMQlS #mathchat
9:25 pm
Sundayteatime:
My personal cpd topic I want to explore is motivating girls at A level. Our top set is down to one girl now #mathchat
9:26 pm
mathattck:
@republicofmath re. Motor memory: Helps explain why calculating is satisfying to those with the skill. Memory: Good CPD topic. #mathchat
9:26 pm
Janshs:
RT @ColinTGraham: And while people are plugging blogs... ;-) I'll put a plug in for: CPD through Twitter for Maths Teachers http://bit.ly/hMMQlS #mathchat
9:28 pm
ColinTGraham:
@republicofmath Similar to individual whiteboards which Ss hold up to display answers simultaneously... for those without the tech #mathchat
9:28 pm
Janshs:
sorry #mathchat @Sundayteatime wow! I haven't taught A level for many a long yr - I thought those days were over!
9:30 pm
ColinTGraham:
What areas of the mathematics curriculum, if any, do you feel you need to re-visit to enhance your teaching skills? #mathchat
9:30 pm
republicofmath:
@ColinTGraham Not quite: with pooled wireless calculators students do not see results on own calculator, only on common overhead. #mathchat
9:30 pm
Sundayteatime:
@Janshs yes so did I. It's really concerning me. Also bothered by the fact we set them at A level that's my first battle. #mathchat
9:31 pm
Janshs:
#mathchat @Sundayteatime is it something in the current A level syllabus that turns off girls?
9:31 pm
ColinTGraham:
@republicofmath So the greatest value of this probably only comes if at least one of the answers displayed is different. #mathchat
9:33 pm
republicofmath:
@ColinTGraham Yes, all answers are different because students or groups are given unique parameters #mathchat
9:34 pm
Sundayteatime:
@Janshs they are taking it but are in the lower groups often by their own choosing. Also I set homework #mathchat
9:35 pm
ColinTGraham:
How do you see the content and the way you approach teaching it change during the next few years? #mathchat
9:35 pm
Janshs:
@Sundayteatime maybe some trips to universities or speakers coming in???? I know nothing about this, just grasping at ideas .... #mathchat
9:36 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Sundayteatime Good topic for your CPD! ;-) #mathchat
9:38 pm
republicofmath:
@ColinTGraham Much more emphasis on stat thinking & data analysis, presentation & communication. If not, may become irrelevant #mathchat
9:38 pm
ColinTGraham:
What parts of your CPD are relevant to teachers as a whole, and what more specifically to mathematics teaching? #mathchat
9:39 pm
Sundayteatime:
@ColinTGraham yes. Doing some action research on setting at A level this term as part of the TAM course at Warwick #mathchat
9:40 pm
ColinTGraham:
@republicofmath You mean mathematics will become irrelevant or that people will stop finding statistics/data etc. relevant? #mathchat
9:42 pm
Sundayteatime:
I think we may move away from non calculator methods as everyone has one on their phone and manually drawing graphs and charts #mathchat
9:44 pm
republicofmath:
@ColinTGraham Have strong feeling - shared with colleagues - that much school math is already irrelevant #mathchat
9:45 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Sundayteatime I tend to agree with Gary (@republicofmath) that there will/must be a shift towards processing of data/information #mathchat
9:46 pm
MariaDroujkova:
To join open @P2PU course go to CPD through Twitter for Maths Teachershttp://tinyurl.com/P2PUmathchat or message @ColinTGraham #mathchat
9:46 pm
Sundayteatime:
@ColinTGraham yes I agree. Functional maths seems to have lots of that. #mathchat
9:48 pm
ColinTGraham:
What areas of CPD would you suggest to newly qualified or inexperienced maths teachers? #mathchat
9:48 pm
Janshs:
@Sundayteatime course it's fun! I bet u make it seem fun too #mathchat maybe the prob is OTHER PPL make them think Maths has to be *useful*
9:50 pm
Janshs:
RT @ColinTGraham What areas of CPD would you suggest to newly qualified or inexperienced maths teachers? #mathchat >> observe others!
9:52 pm
ColinTGraham:
OK, it looks like we're running out of steam! Any final comments or thoughts on today's topic? #mathchat
9:52 pm
Sundayteatime:
Behaviour management and meeting up with other NQTs #mathchat
9:55 pm
ColinTGraham:
OK, looks like that's it for today. Thanks for your contributions everyone! Follow @mathchat to keep up to date. #mathchat
9:55 pm
ColinTGraham:
Don't forget to vote for the next topic: http://mathschat.wikispaces.com/Current+Poll #mathchat
9:56 pm
Janshs:
@ColinTGraham thanks Colin, sorry I was late #mathchat
9:56 pm
Sundayteatime:
@ColinTGraham thanks for chairing that. Some useful ideas there. #mathchat
9:56 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Janshs Better late than never, Jan! #mathchat
9:57 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Sundayteatime You're welcome. Archive will be online in 20 minutes or so... #mathchat