Topic: What type of CPD do mathematics teachers need for the coming decade?
As it happened on Friday, 21st January 2011 00:00 - 01:00 GMT
12:10 am
davidwees:
All are welcome. Topic is: "What type of CPD do mathematics teachers need for the coming decade?" Anyone ready to start? #mathchat
12:11 am
davidwees:
Am I too early this week for #mathchat our are we ready to start?
12:12 am
MariaDroujkova:
Let's start #mathchat I guess! And to start, I want to say there will be a P2PU course for Twitter for Math
12:13 am
MariaDroujkova:
The new course http://p2pu.org/math-future/cpd-through-twitter-maths-teachers - check it out! #mathchat
12:13 am
davidwees:
@MariaDroujkova What exactly does CPD stand for? PD = professional development in my head, but what's the C for? #mathchat
12:14 am
ColinTGraham:
Hi everyone, glad to see you've started! Very icy roads meant I got a bit delayed today! #mathchat
12:15 am
ColinTGraham:
@davidwees The C, in CPD, usually means continuing... i.e. beyond teacher training etc. #mathchat
12:15 am
MariaDroujkova:
@davidwees I think C is for "community" but I made it up. We need to ask Colin! #mathchat David, that video project is so much fun.
12:16 am
ColinTGraham:
The continuing idea also expresses the fact that PD should be something that doesn't stop because you've mastered "X" #mathchat
12:17 am
davidwees:
@ColinTGraham Okay that makes sense. I like @MariaDroujkova's "Community" as well. :) #mathchat
12:18 am
tperran:
@ColinTGraham How about "collaborative" PD?#mathchat
12:19 am
ColinTGraham:
@tperran Well collaborative would work, but in the UK CPD is continuing... ;-) #mathchat
12:20 am
ColinTGraham:
Now we've entered a new decade, and reflecting on the past ten years or so, what challenges are maths teachers going to face? #mathchat
12:22 am
davidwees:
I@ColinTGraham I think our curriculum has got to change. There should be 2 streams. 99% of people take "math for the real world" #mathchat
12:23 am
davidwees:
@ColinTGraham About 1% should take a course specifically for those who are very interested in mathematics. #mathchat
12:24 am
ColinTGraham:
@davidwees Should teachers be looking for ways to adapt the curriculum within the current system or should they wait for change? #mathchat
12:24 am
davidwees:
@ColinTGraham With those two thoughts in mind, I'd recommend CPD to support those changes in curriculum. #mathchat
12:24 am
MariaDroujkova:
A big challenge: deconstruction of lockstep curricula and structures around it, especially desegregating kids from the adult world #mathchat
12:25 am
davidwees:
@ColinTGraham Adaptation from within is probably required since I don't see any forces from the top wanting to change math ed. #mathchat
12:26 am
ColinTGraham:
@MariaDroujkova I think more needs to be done in terms of relating any curriculum to cognitive development & how maths is learned #mathchat
12:26 am
MariaDroujkova:
@davidwees There are forces such as parents who are changing math ed, also developers, and CS people #mathchat
12:26 am
davidwees:
@MariaDroujkova Yes, definitely. Mathematics is hardly ever a linear process IMHO, and yet our curriculum makes it seem so. #mathchat
12:27 am
Saskateach:
@ColinTGraham Math teachers like all teachers will be challenged with infusing tech and helping students find relevance. #mathchat
12:27 am
ColinTGraham:
@davidwees How do/will sites like Wolfram Alpha impact on content and building understanding? #mathchat
12:27 am
davidwees:
@MariaDroujkova On the fringes for sure. Not as many as I'd like. #mathchat
12:27 am
MariaDroujkova:
@davidwees http://prezi.com/aww2hjfyil0u/math-is-not-linear/ #mathchat
12:28 am
tperran:
@davidwees I think specialty courses for the "one-percenters" might be offered online to provide access w/o great expense #mathchat
12:28 am
ColinTGraham:
@Saskateach Should the relevance not be apparent from the outset? #mathchat
12:29 am
MariaDroujkova:
@davidwees We've had 70 events with community/project leaders since starting in 2009http://mathfuture.wikispaces.com/events #mathchat
12:29 am
davidwees:
Wish my connection to Twitter wasn't so slow... #mathchat
12:30 am
davidwees:
@ColinTGraham Wolfram Alpha becomes a tool just like a calculator or graphing software & curriculum adapts. #mathchat
12:30 am
MariaDroujkova:
@davidwees "Fringes" assumes a "center" but scales and dominance are less important than ever now, and more so every year #mathchat
12:30 am
Saskateach:
@ColinTGraham relevance should always be present but can be difficult for adults who don't see it themselves :-( #mathchat
12:31 am
ColinTGraham:
I don't feel Mathematics should be taught to the average student under 14. Number skills and data handling, yes, but maths...? #mathchat
12:31 am
davidwees:
@tperran And students who were really interested in math would eat up those courses too! #mathchat
12:31 am
MariaDroujkova:
@tperran If people allowed themselves (and students) to focus on fun with math, 1% would grow #mathchat
12:32 am
Saskateach:
@tperran 1% ? Are you referring to the top or the bottom? #mathchat
12:32 am
ColinTGraham:
@Saskateach If adults are not seeing relevance, then it may suggest that the content is not really relevant... back to David's 99% #mathchat
12:32 am
TheHelpGroup:
Catching some #mathchat ! Yes, I am excited.
12:32 am
MariaDroujkova:
@Saskateach Maybe people should just say "no" to non-relevant and non-authentic experiences #mathchat
12:33 am
tperran:
@davidwees I think students would find it really cool to study math with a professor from a top university if cost wasn't too high #mathchat
12:33 am
davidwees:
@ColinTGraham I don't think algebra should be taught to the entire population, but there is lots of other interesting mathematics. #mathchat
12:33 am
ColinTGraham:
@TheHelpGroup Hi, glad you made it this time! #mathchat
12:34 am
TheHelpGroup:
@ColinTGraham Very glad to be here. Looking forward to hearing from other educators. #mathchat
12:34 am
Saskateach:
@MariaDroujkova Sometimes relevance is there but teachers don't see it because they don't see themselves as math literate. #mathchat
12:34 am
ColinTGraham:
@tperran I've made the comment in a previous #mathchat that I thought the best mathematicians should be teaching early years...
12:34 am
davidwees:
@Saskateach The 1% would be the people who are really interested in math and want to go further, not entirely skill based. #mathchat
12:34 am
tperran:
@Saskateach @davidwees Referred to the 1% who liked math for math's sake and not just for real-world applications #mathchat
12:35 am
MariaDroujkova:
I am concerned when people don't understand algebra and yet govern others, have kids, etc. #mathchat
12:35 am
davidwees:
@tperran @Saskateach And it might not be 1%, that's just a number I pulled out of my hat. #mathchat
12:35 am
Saskateach:
@davidwees If only we could get our institutes of higher learning to agree with you. Calculus, algebra still hold the keys. #mathchat
12:36 am
davidwees:
@MariaDroujkova It's not algebra I want them to understand, it's logical reasoning and making inferences from given information. #mathchat
12:36 am
MariaDroujkova:
@ColinTGraham There are a few mathematicians who work in early ed, e.g. Kaplans and their math circle - I wish there were more #mathchat
12:37 am
TheHelpGroup:
@ColinTGraham There is a great @tedtalks where a scientist (I think) says exactly that. I'll try to find it. #mathchat
12:37 am
ColinTGraham:
How does the availability of worked solutions/other mathematical information online affect the tasks Ss are asked to do in class? #mathchat
12:37 am
davidwees:
@MariaDroujkova @ColinTGraham Agree with you. Maybe we could do CPD to encourage HS teachers to collaborate with K-3 teachers? #mathchat
12:37 am
Saskateach:
@davidwees lol. What I worry about is the possibility of saving the really juicy math opportunities for those considered worthy. #mathchat
12:37 am
MariaDroujkova:
@Saskateach Well, in this case (math illiterate) they got to go into "peer learning" mode with students #mathchat
12:38 am
davidwees:
@Saskateach Vi Hart (seen her videos?) would argue that right now we feed everyone the scraps. Algebra != interesting in my books. #mathchat
12:39 am
Saskateach:
YES!RT @MariaDroujkova: @Saskateach Well, in this case (math illiterate) they got to go into "peer learning" mode with students #mathchat
12:39 am
MariaDroujkova:
@davidwees This is a nice idea! Inter-level collaboration. Also with researchers, professionals... "Adopt a quant" for elem class? #mathchat
12:39 am
davidwees:
@Saskateach There is lots of awesome, very interesting, and yet accessible math which goes untaught in k-12. #mathchat
12:39 am
tperran:
@Saskateach Maybe if we get real "mathematicians" to work with students in the younger years thay can "light the fire" in them too #mathchat
12:39 am
ColinTGraham:
Let's get personal! What do you see yourself working on as part of your CPD in the next few years? #mathchat
12:40 am
MariaDroujkova:
@davidwees Little ones (4-7 yo math clubs) LOVE algebraic ideas. And some early calculus ideas. There is fun there. #mathchat
12:40 am
Saskateach:
Agreed RT @davidwees: @Saskateach There is lots of awesome, very interesting, and yet accessible math which goes untaught in k-12. #mathchat
12:41 am
ColinTGraham:
@davidwees It's also interesting that 'trained' mathematicians often resort to algebra, where children see another valid approach #mathchat
12:41 am
MariaDroujkova:
Mathematical visual literacy is hugely important. Also modeling and programming. #mathchat
12:42 am
ColinTGraham:
@MariaDroujkova I would agree. I'd like to see more integration of maths teaching with programming, where each needs the other #mathchat
12:42 am
davidwees:
@MariaDroujkova Yes, agree about visual literacy, modeling and programming. #mathchat
12:43 am
MariaDroujkova:
For my CPD, I am working on flow. Focusing on gamification right now #mathchat
12:43 am
davidwees:
@ColinTGraham Yeah, I had this exact problem just a few days which inspired my "Triangles are your friends" post. #mathchat
12:43 am
Saskateach:
@tperran Teachers need 2 know not only math content but also how students learn & quality instructional strategies #mathchat
12:44 am
MariaDroujkova:
We had some nice Flow discussions in the last few months http://naturalmath.wikispaces.com/Flow+Channels #mathchat
12:44 am
ColinTGraham:
@Saskateach Where do those instructional strategies come from, Jennifer? Is that an area where CPD is needed? #mathchat
12:45 am
davidwees:
Okay, gotta go home, thanks for #mathchat Lots of great ideas as usual.
12:45 am
ColinTGraham:
@davidwees Glad you could join us David. #mathchat
12:48 am
TheHelpGroup:
@davidwees Can you send a link to that post? I'd love to read it. #mathchat
12:48 am
ColinTGraham:
One area I am thinking about is ways of filtering/evaluating the huge amounts of information/applications etc. online. #mathchat
12:49 am
Saskateach:
@ColinTGraham What does CPD stand for?? #mathchat
12:50 am
ColinTGraham:
@Saskateach Is (action) research something that teachers should be doing in their own classrooms too or should CPD be different? #mathchat
12:50 am
dweksler:
I think filtering/finding what you are looking for is critical #mathchat
12:50 am
ColinTGraham:
Just to clarify for everyone, CPD is Continuing Professional Development! ;-) #mathchat
12:51 am
TheHelpGroup:
RT @ColinTGraham: Just to clarify for everyone, CPD is Continuing Professional Development! ;-) #mathchat
12:51 am
MariaDroujkova:
@TheHelpGroup @davidwees post http://davidwees.com/content/triangles-are-your-friends #mathchat
12:51 am
tperran:
@Saskateach Too often, instructional strategies take a back seat to content knowledge #mathchat
12:52 am
ColinTGraham:
@dweksler Do teachers need more help/training with doing this, David? Will the situation worsen as more and more goes online? #mathchat
12:52 am
dweksler:
At a recent conference, I started thinking whether CPD is really served by "traditional" conference presentations. My guess is no #mathchat
12:52 am
MariaDroujkova:
@ColinTGraham Filtering interactions is hugely important now, though even "just information" Big Sorting is far from over #mathchat
12:53 am
ColinTGraham:
@tperran I think, as well, that too often teaching is concerned with classroom management and not even the content gets a look-in! #mathchat
12:54 am
MariaDroujkova:
@dweksler There are studies showing about zero effectiveness of CPD through one-time classes or conferences #mathchat
12:54 am
ColinTGraham:
@dweksler More and more teachers in the UK are turning towards TeachMeets and doing their own CPD... I've presented at few, too! #mathchat
12:54 am
dweksler:
@ColinTGraham Yes, I do think they need more help especially to sustain the PD over time #mathchat
12:55 am
Saskateach:
@tperran We cant assume that all students can and should learn the way we teach. #mathchat
12:55 am
MariaDroujkova:
Imagine "Wikipedia of online interactions for math ed" :-) #mathchat
12:56 am
ColinTGraham:
Trainee teachers are probably in the best situation with regard to technology etc. but what aspects of methodology need to change? #mathchat
12:57 am
ColinTGraham:
@dweksler That's part of my aim with the Twitter course, that participants have a focus/reason for sustaining the PD... pep squad! #mathchat
12:59 am
dweksler:
@ColinTGraham Understand the goal. We need to share communites like this one, MathFuture, etc. with more folks #mathchat
1:00 am
tperran:
@Saskateach @ColinTGraham Right, we need to look at it from the students perspective. That is why I am trying to implement UDL #mathchat
1:02 am
MariaDroujkova:
@tperran Tom, what is UDL? #mathchat
1:02 am
ColinTGraham:
Yes, to me it means Ulster Defence League! RT @MariaDroujkova: @tperran Tom, what is UDL? #mathchat
1:03 am
ColinTGraham:
Any final thoughts on CPD in the last five minutes? #mathchat
1:05 am
dweksler:
DANGER! using acronyms internationlly :-) #mathchat
1:07 am
ColinTGraham:
@dweksler It's like computing... once you know the TLAs, you've got it cracked! [Three-Letter Acronyms] #mathchat
1:07 am
dweksler:
Universal Design for Learning (UDL) http://bit.ly/hWkYSZ #mathchat
1:09 am
ColinTGraham:
OK, everyone, thanks for your contributions. The archive will be up in 20 mins or so. Please add more ideas http://bit.ly/aOhxOU #mathchat
1:11 am
MariaDroujkova:
@ColinTGraham Thanks for leading #mathchat - always a treat!
1:11 am
ColinTGraham:
@MariaDroujkova Thanks for dropping by, Maria! #mathchat
1:13 am
dweksler:
@ColinTGraham I'll be thinking about the Ulster Defence League from now on when I'm discussing UDL with teachers. #mathchat
1:14 am
tperran:
@MariaDroujkova @ColinTGraham Universal Design for Learning to promote access to curriculum for students w/dis. http://bit.ly/ihV7 #mathchat
1:16 am
ColinTGraham:
@dweksler :-) #mathchat