Topic (follow-up to Friday, 7th January 2011):
Let's crowd-source the ideal mathematics curriculum!
As it happened on Monday, 10th January 2011, 19:30 - 21:00 GMT
7:36 pm
ColinTGraham:
Hello everyone, welcome to today's #mathchat. If it's your first time, a special hello! Don't forget to use the hashtag ---> #mathchat
7:37 pm
ColinTGraham:
Today's topic is a re-visit of last week's: "Let?s crowd-source an ideal curriculum!" #mathchat
7:40 pm
ColinTGraham:
What would you like to see in a maths curriculum, if there were no constraints...? #mathchat
7:42 pm
PeteCHall:
RT @ColinTGraham: What would you like to see in a maths curriculum, if there were no constraints...? #mathchat
7:45 pm
ColinTGraham:
Any chatters today or am I on my own...? #mathchat
7:52 pm
ColinTGraham:
I'll give it another 10 minutes... #mathchat
8:45 pm
chris_1974:
@ColinTGraham still there? #mathchat
8:45 pm
ColinTGraham:
@chris_1974 Yep #mathchat
8:46 pm
chris_1974:
#mathchat maths curriculum - no constraints? Lots more oppurtunity to play!
8:47 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@chris_1974 I'm here now, too :o) #mathchat
8:48 pm
ColinTGraham:
@chris_1974 The topic was: "Let?s crowd-source an ideal curriculum!" so we can thrash it about for 30 minutes or so... #mathchat
8:48 pm
ColinTGraham:
I'm just wondering whether the Monday session needs to start later...? #mathchat
8:49 pm
chris_1974:
@ColinTGraham 20:30 would be better for me, after dance class (kids), and food (me!) #mathchat
8:49 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham I agree with @chris_1974, for the next couple of weeks at least #mathchat
8:50 pm
ColinTGraham:
Well, it's not a big change, maybe people got used to the 8:30 start and then GMT kicked in! #mathchat
8:51 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham To the question! What should Ss be able to do when they leave school? #mathchat
8:52 pm
icecolbeveridge:
#mathchat I'd love to see less emphasis on calculation and more on problem-solving, finding the right tools for the job
8:53 pm
mathtech:
#mathchat @ColinTGraham I really wanted to try this idea, but heading home now. Will try to catch up later...
8:53 pm
chris_1974:
#mathchat basic numeracy is important at 1 level, but proper problem solving skills - transferable employability, much more so imo.
8:54 pm
ColinTGraham:
@mathtech OK Carol, follow @mathchat to keep updated when the archive is posted! #mathchat
8:55 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@chris_1974 Agreed - cool to be able (eg) to juggle surds but I see very little benefit #mathchat
8:56 pm
ColinTGraham:
I'd like to see more questioning introduced at all levels, with teachers acting as 'prompts' rather than answerers #mathchat
8:56 pm
chris_1974:
@icecolbeveridge althoguh I'm reminded of a project I took part in - developing Y7 a need for Alg. #mathchat
8:57 pm
sdisbury:
@chris_1974 I think basic numeracy is at the core of problem solving. #mathchat
8:57 pm
ColinTGraham:
I said in last week's discussion: I'd like to see a shift towards using technology for calculations. Ss concetrate on prob/projs #mathchat
8:57 pm
chris_1974:
@icecolbeveridge the aim wass to develop tasks where algebra was needed to solve problems #mathchat
8:58 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@chris_1974 I think that's the right way round - come up with real life problems and _research_ solutions #mathchat
8:58 pm
ColinTGraham:
@sdisbury There are a lot of 'mathematical' procedures in problem solving, beyond number, which can usefully be explored too, tho' #mathchat
8:58 pm
chris_1974:
@sdisbury you need number skills and awareness first, but then build on that.#mathchat
8:59 pm
ColinTGraham:
@chris_1974 And only use the algebra if necessary. Trained mathematicians often resort to algebra where a simpler process exists #mathchat
8:59 pm
icecolbeveridge:
RT @chris_1974: you need number skills and awareness first, but then build on that.#mathchat
9:00 pm
chris_1974:
Today's Y7 lesson title was "Boys are better than Girls" Cue much "debate". Leading in to HD where sampling, graphs etc needed #mathchat
9:00 pm
ColinTGraham:
"Number skills" does not necessarily mean memorizing basic arithmetic facts, either... #mathchat
9:01 pm
chris_1974:
@ColinTGraham its like my alg starter last week. Algebraic thinking leads to richer work than simply "3N+1 *doing algebra*. #mathchat
9:02 pm
ColinTGraham:
I would definitely like to see more awareness of data handling and interpretation at a much earlier (st)age in all curricula #mathchat
9:02 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@chris_1974 You teach a bunch of maths-debaters #mathchat #cheapshot #iamspiritually13
9:02 pm
chris_1974:
Superb! RT @icecolbeveridge: @chris_1974 You teach a bunch of maths-debaters #mathchat#cheapshot #iamspiritually13
9:03 pm
ColinTGraham:
@icecolbeveridge Should be maths-deb8ters? #mathchat
9:03 pm
sdisbury:
@ColinTGraham More interpretation and less colouring in required. #mathchat
9:04 pm
chris_1974:
yes! Marks for what graph tells you, not how pretty! RT @sdisbury: More interpretation and less colouring in required. #mathchat
9:04 pm
ColinTGraham:
Yes and I'd add discussion, debate, journals... RT @sdisbury: @ColinTGraham More interpretation and less colouring in required. #mathchat
9:06 pm
ColinTGraham:
The Ma1 component of the NC nominally addresses communication of ideas, but this seems to disappear around KS3... #mathchat
9:08 pm
ColinTGraham:
So, we've suggested a move away from computation/calculation and towards problem solving, what else would you have? #mathchat
9:09 pm
icecolbeveridge:
#mathchat How about longish, open-ended group projects with a presentation/debate at the end?
9:10 pm
icecolbeveridge:
#mathchat e.g., how would you improve the school? budget of £500 (say), and have to convince the PTA using data/analysis
9:11 pm
ColinTGraham:
@icecolbeveridge That could even go further to establishing an enterprise group/class and raising money... #mathchat
9:12 pm
Scorgo:
I would have a focus on math processes and personal strategies through a problem solving context/ #mathchat
9:12 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham Absolutely #mathchat
9:12 pm
chris_1974:
I use real school data in class - boxplots of results comparing classes, scattergraphs of module results vs terminal etc.. #mathchat
9:12 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Scorgo Would you encourage the sharing of strategies as part of that, too? #mathchat
9:14 pm
ColinTGraham:
I liked the approach Sugata Mitra took in his "Hole in the Wall"... He asked "Who was Pythagoras and what did he do?" #mathchat
9:16 pm
ColinTGraham:
He wrote it on the board in a class of Italian kids who didn't speak English. Triangles started appearing on the PCs after 10 mins #mathchat
9:16 pm
MrsC_teach:
Have different students share diff ways of approaching same question/problem. Frequently many roads lead to same destination. #mathchat
9:17 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham Yeah, that was an amazing video :o) #mathchat
9:17 pm
Scorgo:
@ColinTGraham Absolutely! Sharing between students, between teachers and between one another. #mathchat
9:18 pm
ColinTGraham:
@MrsC_teach Yes and that is also very useful for validating 'non-algorithmic' methods used in mental arithmetic... #mathchat
9:19 pm
ColinTGraham:
At what point does curriculum design become a question of methodology? #mathchat
9:19 pm
ClareWhite:
@ColinTGraham ah, you've got my attention now- love that story :) #mathchat
9:21 pm
ColinTGraham:
The Sugata Mitra video can be found at http://bit.ly/bRQuUo if you haven't already seen it. #mathchat
9:22 pm
ahpettit:
connecting the unit circle to the sine function using pull-n-peel licorice http://bit.ly/gk62Q1. #mathchat#vanmeter
9:24 pm
ClareWhite:
#mathchat late thought reading the tweets- what if classes could help local groups with data questions and local economic issues?
9:25 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@ClareWhite I think that's a great idea #mathchat
9:26 pm
ColinTGraham:
@ClareWhite That is probably what the Design for Change contest is all about... http://bit.ly/9V1PJ5should be part of curriculum #mathchat
9:28 pm
ColinTGraham:
I raised the question during last week's discussion: What do we need a curriuculum for? We can't idealize w/out knowing purpose #mathchat
9:31 pm
ColinTGraham:
Any other last thoughts or comments before we call it a day? #mathchat
9:32 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham Without a curriculum, we don't know what to test on exams! Without exams, how do we sort Ss into 'good' and 'poor'? #mathchat
9:33 pm
ColinTGraham:
@icecolbeveridge How about e-porfolios showing what work the student can do instead? #mathchat
9:33 pm
brittgow:
RT @icecolbeveridge: @ColinTGraham Without a curriculum, we don't know what to test on exams! Without exams, how do we sort Ss into 'good' and 'poor'? #mathchat
9:34 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham I'd much rather see that. #mathchat
9:34 pm
icecolbeveridge:
#mathchat We need exams to see which kids can remember things in silence under time pressure. Valuable work skills right there.
9:35 pm
brittgow:
RT @ColinTGraham: I liked the approach Sugata Mitra took in his "Hole in the Wall"... He asked "Who was Pythagoras and what did he do?" #mathchat
9:35 pm
ColinTGraham:
@icecolbeveridge I think that's something that can be built up during lessons, even if unofficially. It's the way of the future... #mathchat
9:36 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham How about an end-of-year maths show, like they have for art? #mathchat
9:37 pm
ColinTGraham:
@icecolbeveridge Yes or like the Science Fairs that a good many N Amer schools run. But not competitive, though! #mathchat
9:39 pm
ColinTGraham:
OK, everyone, thanks for your contributions, albeit later getting going than planned! We'll move Monday's chat back to 8:30pm... #mathchat