Topic: What makes a good quality website for mathematics teaching and/or learning?
As it happened on Friday, DATE 00:00 - 01:00 GMT
12:04 am
ColinTGraham:
Hello everyone, any takers for #mathchat?
12:06 am
ColinTGraham:
Today's topic: "What makes a good quality website for mathematics teaching and/or learning?" #mathchat
12:11 am
ColinTGraham:
I guess everyone is otherwise occupied, so I'll give it another 10 minutes or so... #mathchat
12:15 am
cybraryman1:
@ColinTGraham I've got math sites Colin! #mathchat
12:16 am
cybraryman1:
RT @ColinTGraham: Today's topic: "What makes a good quality website for mathematics teaching and/or learning?" #mathchat NOW
12:16 am
ColinTGraham:
@cybraryman1 Thanks, Jerry, we can always count on you! I suspect most people are engaged with family stuff... #mathchat
12:18 am
alexpickett:
RT @cybraryman1: RT @ColinTGraham: Today's topic: "What makes a good quality website for mathematics teaching and/or learning?" #mathchat NOW
12:20 am
ColinTGraham:
OK #mathchat people, the five-minute countdown is now on... ! ;-)
12:22 am
cybraryman1:
@ColinTGraham What math pages should I have? My Math pages: http://bit.ly/dvup24 #mathchat
12:23 am
padgets:
RT @cybraryman1: @ColinTGraham What math pages should I have? My Math pages:http://bit.ly/dvup24 #mathchat
12:25 am
ColinTGraham:
I see sites 'pushing' maths in some way but wonder about quality... if they are too closely tied to 'dodgy' curricula... #mathchat
12:27 am
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat I saw one tweeted the other day that if a child put in the equation to be solved it did it for them
12:28 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets I don't see a problem with that if the child knows what the equation is for and how it should be used #mathchat
12:29 am
tperran:
Hi everyone, here are some sites I've collected. I try to find those that are engaging and less well-known:http://bit.ly/g0GK3A #mathchat
12:30 am
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat that is what I was concerned about, just getting the answer without knowing the process
12:30 am
ColinTGraham:
@tperran Hi Tom, the question here is what makes the sites good sites... I'm sure we all have collections of some sort or another #mathchat
12:31 am
padgets:
@tperran #mathchat thanks I will add them to my diigo, moved from delicious due to possible shutdown
12:32 am
ColinTGraham:
@tperran So, engagement and less well-known are two factors in your listing... what other sites cause/create attention for people? #mathchat
12:35 am
ColinTGraham:
Universe Sandbox http://ow.ly/3sg8D which I saw via @kjarrett's tweet presents possibilities, but not specifically mathematics... #mathchat
12:37 am
tperran:
@ColinTGraham Here are more criteria: minimum of supervision needed, multiple levels of challenge, real-world application...#mathchat
12:37 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets Do you see websites that provide "the answer" as the problem, Sharon, or do teachers need to adapt methods to suit? #mathchat
12:39 am
cybraryman1:
I personally like websites that show you the step by step process on how to solve a problem if you get it wrong #mathchat
12:39 am
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat concern that if a child can get the answer without knowing how the answer was gotten. seems like cheating to me
12:39 am
ColinTGraham:
@tperran I can see how most of that would work, Tom, but "minimum of supervision" sounds interesting... How would that work? #mathchat
12:40 am
cybraryman1:
@tperran Thanks for sharing those sites Tom. You know me The Collector of Sites! #mathchat
12:40 am
ColinTGraham:
@cybraryman1 Explanation of steps is not enough... is that what you're saying? It needs to be common errors and why they happen? #mathchat
12:41 am
dweksler:
Internet-savvy friend paid $60 for his son taking calculus to have access to step-by-step problem-solvinghttp://bit.ly/7iLsO #mathchat
12:41 am
cybraryman1:
@ColinTGraham That would be helpful when you can see the common errors and see why they happen #mathchat
12:41 am
padgets:
#mathchat I like my websites to be my partner in teaching, a tool for me to use to show the process, not to take my place
12:41 am
tperran:
@cybraryman1 I probably got some of them from you! #mathchat
12:42 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets We didn't have the computing power available as Ss, so we had to "go through the slog"... maybe we have to refocus #mathchat
12:43 am
ColinTGraham:
@dweksler If it is focused/personalised help then why not... but the question is why pay...? #mathchat
12:44 am
ColinTGraham:
RT @tperran I like sites where you can explain the goal to the Ss &, if they get sidetracked, they can figure it out on their own. #mathchat
12:44 am
padgets:
#mathchat I think a little struggle is ok :) sense of accomplishment felt when they find the answer or finish the project
12:45 am
dweksler:
@ColinTGraham As a father who no longer can help with the math homework, he thought it was worth it for his son sudying calculus #mathchat
12:45 am
tperran:
Some sites like mathopenref.com offer a bit too much help but they have their place too. We use them to introduce skills #mathchat
12:46 am
tperran:
RT @padgets: #mathchat I think a little struggle is ok :)sense of accomplishment felt when they find the answer or finish the project>Yes!
12:46 am
cybraryman1:
RT @padgets: #mathchat I think a little struggle is ok :) sense of accomplishment felt when they find the answer or finish the project
12:46 am
ColinTGraham:
My view is that anything which helps with the "Aha!" is valuable. Last week's discussion suggested immediate feedback was useful #mathchat
12:47 am
tperran:
@jlyon300 Glad you liked them. I've been working on the list for awhile. Could be organized better though, I think. #mathchat
12:47 am
padgets:
#mathchat I tried these last weeks to just put a learning target on the board, provide ways to reach it, kids decided how
12:48 am
ColinTGraham:
I worry that because a lot of things can be done more easily online that some skills are being lost... measurement, 3-D models... #mathchat
12:49 am
padgets:
#mathchat with them deciding the avenue of learning, me guiding, less stress, them more engaged because they decided how they would learn
12:49 am
cybraryman1:
@ColinTGraham So how did you feel when students started using calculators in class? #mathchat
12:49 am
tperran:
RT @padgets: #mathchat I tried to just put a learning target on the board, provide ways to reach it, kids decided how>How did it go?
12:49 am
ColinTGraham:
@dweksler If the online provision is providing what a teacher can, there is not really an issue, as I see it... #mathchat
12:50 am
padgets:
#mathchat well, not so good yet :) kids in 9th grade have not had that gradual release of responsibility, so I found I must teach them this
12:50 am
ColinTGraham:
@cybraryman1 My feeling was that the curriculum did not allow Ss to use calculators to their fullest potential. #mathchat
12:50 am
dweksler:
@ColinTGraham Taking advantage of the teacher as a resource was a suggestion I offered, as well. #mathchat
12:50 am
padgets:
#mathchat but enough went well, I think I will try again second semester
12:51 am
tperran:
@padgets Same could be said for many 1oth graders too :-) #mathchat
12:51 am
padgets:
#mathchat for my sped and ELL kids, it went the best, differentiation at its best :)
12:51 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets Reasoned approaches to problem-solving are the basis of Science and Mathematics, which is why I like Project Euler... #mathchat
12:52 am
padgets:
#mathchat please tell me, what is Project Euler? I have not heard of it before :)
12:53 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets Steve @frogphilp let his students, 7-11yo decide what maths questions they wanted to answer... it seemed to go OK! #mathchat
12:54 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets Project Euler is on the Wiki. It's increasingly difficult problems that require maths/programming skills to solve #mathchat
12:54 am
padgets:
#mathchat must check out the wiki more closely!!!!
12:55 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets http://bit.ly/dRJpTP the main resources page is a good start! Project Euler is near the bottom... #mathchat
12:55 am
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat thanks :)
12:57 am
ColinTGraham:
So, summarising, good websites will: give immediate, personalized feedback; explain why some answers are wrong; provide problems #mathchat
12:57 am
padgets:
#mathchat is it good in your all's opinion if a child takes math exclusively online k-12?
12:58 am
ColinTGraham:
Other plus points: engaging, immediacy, self-monitored,... anything else to add? #mathchat
12:59 am
dweksler:
I'd like to think the math/tech tools have improved math learning/teaching, but I'm not always convinced that's the case. #mathchat
12:59 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets If the curriculum is geared towards machine-markable standards, then doing it all online will probably be the way... :-( #mathchat
1:00 am
ColinTGraham:
@dweksler What would make them better, or where do your doubts lie David? #mathchat
1:00 am
tperran:
@ColinTGraham Did we say anything about ability to collaborate w/ others and communicate understanding in a variety of formats? #mathchat
1:00 am
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat thank you :)
1:01 am
ColinTGraham:
@tperran Not until now, Tom! Collaborative research online is certainly up-and-coming ... Poincare conjecture springs to mind... #mathchat
1:02 am
ColinTGraham:
For the last 10 minutes or so, what would you like to see happening more in online mathematics sites? What sites exemplify this? #mathchat
1:02 am
dweksler:
I'd like to believe that dynamic geometry software/math web sites support math education, but in the US we continue to struggle #mathchat
1:03 am
ColinTGraham:
@dweksler So that would be sites like GeoGebra, David? #mathchat
1:04 am
ColinTGraham:
I would like to see sites which are more imaginative and pro-active in encouraging mathematical thinking #mathchat
1:04 am
padgets:
#mathchat Love GeoGebra!!!
1:04 am
dweksler:
Collaboration between the online math community and classroom teachers who may need support #mathchat
1:05 am
ColinTGraham:
I'd also like to see non-mathematics sites used more imaginatively in teaching maths, particularly for 11+ #mathchat
1:05 am
padgets:
RT @dweksler: Collaboration between the online math community and classroom teachers who may need support #mathchat <<<Agree!
1:05 am
dweksler:
@ColinTGraham Certainly, Colin. I was around the development of Sketchpad and part of the group that built the Geometry/Math Forum #mathchat
1:06 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets I thought you'd agree with that Sharon! Sheltered workshops allowing 'safe' CPD for struggling colleagues, yes! #mathchat
1:06 am
cybraryman1:
RT @ColinTGraham: Good websites will: give immediate, personalized feedback; explain why some answers are wrong; provide problems #mathchat
1:06 am
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat you know me well,,:)
1:08 am
ColinTGraham:
Maybe not enough is provided, or being provided, for targeted development for teachers and most of the Ss are ok for now...? #mathchat
1:11 am
cybraryman1:
@padgets I feel the future is Blended Learning. Child needs face to face time too. #mathchat
1:11 am
tperran:
I like to see math sites provide real-world apps w/ multiple levels of challenge. Here is one of my favs:http://bit.ly/7OYJ0u #mathchat
1:12 am
padgets:
RT @cybraryman1: I feel the future is Blended Learning. Child needs face to face time too. #mathchat < me too, just think I will be needed
1:13 am
padgets:
#mathchat as least I hope so :)
1:13 am
ColinTGraham:
My three presents: GeoGebra http://bit.ly/abJKX LEGO digital designer http://bit.ly/4wGVWB Project Euler http://bit.ly/122rwL #mathchat
1:14 am
cybraryman1:
@tperran Thanks for "nriching" my math sites collection #mathchat
1:14 am
padgets:
#mathchat well my friends, family is calling, LOL to you all have a great holiday! thanks Colin for the presents, will share with my team
1:15 am
padgets:
#mathchat take care and tweet you all soon :)
1:15 am
ColinTGraham:
Merry Christmas to everyone who has participated in #mathchat this year. See you next year everyone!
1:16 am
tperran:
#mathchat Same here! I hope you all have a wonderful holiday and enjoy the rest of your break!
1:16 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets Same to you Sharon, enjoy the break :-) #mathchat
1:16 am
cybraryman1:
@ColinTGraham Happy Holidays Colin. Cheers #mathchat
1:17 am
ColinTGraham:
The next #mathchat discussion will be revisiting today's topic on 3rd January... today's archive will be online in 20 minutes or so ;-)
1:19 am
ColinTGraham:
@cybraryman1 Thanks for participating, Jerry. Happy holidays to you too! #mathchat