Topic: Does 'mathphobia' exist - how do we deal with it?
As it happened on Thursday, 7th October 2010, 23:30 - 00:30 GMT
11:36 pm
republicofmath:
Start? #mathphobia was widespread when I taught math methods to pre-service elementary teachers in WA, NJ, MA & in Melbourne AUS #mathchat
11:39 pm
republicofmath:
??? @mathchat Does 'mathphobia' exist - how do we deal with it? #mathchat in 30 minutes [39 mins ago via TweetDeck]
11:40 pm
Saskateach:
Many people do not view themselves as competent, confident mathematicians. This can effect ones confidence/comfort to teach it. #mathchat
11:42 pm
mrdfleming:
The problem is mathphobia gets passed down through the generations... we need to stop the cycle! #mathchat
11:42 pm
republicofmath:
I've known pre-service teachers to shake with fear at thought of #math. Some wanted to, or did, vomit. #mathphobia @Saskateach #mathchat
11:43 pm
ghewgley:
The #mathchat Daily is out - read this Twitter newspaper on http://bit.ly/bMxifd (9 contributions today)
11:44 pm
republicofmath:
Yes, it's like inter-generational abuse. #mathphobia #mathchat @mrdfleming
11:45 pm
Saskateach:
@mrdfleming @republicofmath It does get passed down.Transmission due 2 lack of understanding being connected 2 the math we learn. #mathchat
11:46 pm
cybraryman1:
Many students need to be shown the relevance & need for math in their daily lives so they won't be so turned off to it. #mathchat
11:46 pm
mrdfleming:
I think sometimes even elementary teachers can have a negative view of Math, and pass it down to students unfortunately #mathchat
11:46 pm
LizDk:
Making math relevant and in context does help with math phobia and appreciation of mathematics #mathchat #MYP
11:47 pm
mrdfleming:
I hear a lot of talk about "The New Math" from parents as well... adds to the phobia even more! #mathchat
11:47 pm
LizDk:
Kids need to feel successful with math #mathchat
11:48 pm
Saskateach:
RT @cybraryman1: Many students need to be shown the relevance & need for math in their daily lives so they won't be so turned off to it. #mathchat
11:48 pm
cybraryman1:
RT @LizDk: Kids need to feel successful with math #mathchat
11:48 pm
mrdfleming:
RT @LizDk: Making math relevant and in context does help with math phobia and appreciation of mathematics #mathchat #MYP
11:49 pm
LizDk:
Older generations probably a lost cause, best to focus on kids in classes: they need to appreciate math and feel successful #mathchat
11:49 pm
Saskateach:
@mrdfleming Parents can definitely fuel the math phobia fire. They want to see math in class the way they experienced it. #mathchat
11:49 pm
cybraryman1:
If a student does not have a good grounding in basic math they will struggle #mathchat
11:49 pm
mrdfleming:
@republicofmath Perhaps some teachers need to be hit with a "stupid rock" then... geez! #mathchat
11:50 pm
republicofmath:
I think there's direct abuse too from some teachers. One I knew had papier-mache "stupid rock" in math class. @Saskateach #mathchat
11:50 pm
davidwees:
How many people were math specialists in university and became elementary school teachers? Not many I bet. #mathchat
11:50 pm
mrdfleming:
@LizDk But aren't we fighting a losing battle if kids are being led to hate math by their parents who don't understand it? #mathchat
11:51 pm
fiteach:
Yes!!! RT @cybraryman1: If a student does not have a good grounding in basic math they will struggle #mathchat
11:51 pm
LizDk:
@republicofmath @cybraryman1 Agreed re feel stupid in class. Tech can help - private convos with teacher re understanding. #mathchat
11:51 pm
Saskateach:
@cybraryman1 Students need a good foundation supported by understanding not memorization. #mathchat
11:52 pm
republicofmath:
Yes! Feeling successful and unafraid to be able to think, no matter how slowly, is really important. @LizDK #mathchat
11:52 pm
LizDk:
Re feel stupid in class: get students to do journal entries explaining concepts with examples so tchr can see issues privately #mathchat
11:52 pm
davidwees:
Every elementary school should have at least one math specialist who can provide resources for teachers. #mathchat
11:52 pm
maggiekb1:
Fascinated by the discussion about mathphobia and improving math education going on in #mathchat
11:52 pm
davidwees:
Everyone I meet is in one of two camps; they hate math or they loved it and ALL of them tell me their opinion. #mathchat
11:53 pm
Saskateach:
Comes down to when you know better you do better. We now know better about teaching math, and need to do better. #mathchat
11:53 pm
familyonbikes:
@davidwees I think mathphobia exists because it is acceptable in society to be "bad at math" "Bad in reading" is not acceptable #mathchat
11:54 pm
LoreenLeedy:
@cybraryman1 "the relevance & need for math in their daily lives" Pls see my Missing Math: A Number Mystery http://bit.ly/aLTYEL #mathchat
11:54 pm
cybraryman1:
@davidwees Yes there is a need for math specialists who should not only provide resources but teach model lessons #mathchat
11:54 pm
mrdfleming:
@davidwees We finally have this... but we're resigned to the fact that likely, it will be pulled, as all new programs are. #mathchat
11:54 pm
Saskateach:
True!RT @davidwees: Everyone I meet is in one of two camps; they hate math or they loved it and ALL of them tell me their opinion. #mathchat
11:54 pm
davidwees:
@elephantsgerald Yeah it is extremely important that we break down these barriers between subjects. #mathchat
11:54 pm
LizDk:
Classroom needs to be a comfortable environment b4 learning can take place #mathchat
11:55 pm
ccampbel14:
Frustrated when parents begin with, "When I was in school I couldn't do math..." They have just empowered their kids to do poorly. #mathchat
11:55 pm
mrdfleming:
@Saskateach But we still have elementary teachers (even NEW ones) saying "I did Math this way, and I turned out ok" #mathchat
11:55 pm
elephantsgerald:
I was good at math but hated how it was taught. I think it helped me learn coding html. @davidwees#mathchat
11:55 pm
familyonbikes:
I used to have kids explain their thinking and process if they wanted. Within a few weeks, they all were. Worked great! #mathchat
11:55 pm
JenLucPiquant:
Ooh! must take a look! RT @maggiekb1 Fascinated by the discussion about mathphobia and improving math education going on in #mathchat
11:56 pm
republicofmath:
I have had pre-service teachers who hated math, were afraid, who came to love it. Change is possible. @davidwess #mathchat #mathphobia
11:56 pm
cybraryman1:
Making math relevant sitess on my Math Links page: http://bit.ly/j1NEC #mathchat
11:56 pm
Saskateach:
RT @ccampbel14: Frustrated when parents begin with, "When I was in school I couldn't do math..." They have just empowered their kids to do poorly. #mathchat
11:56 pm
mrdfleming:
Sad but true RT @familyonbikes: Mathphobia exists because it is acceptable in society to be "bad at math" "Bad in reading" is not #mathchat
11:56 pm
tonnet:
RT @republicofmath: Yes! Feeling successful and unafraid to be able to think, no matter how slowly, is really important. @LizDK #mathchat
11:56 pm
maggiekb1:
1) Math was labeled as on/off thing. Either "good at math" or "bad at math". Labeling done subjectively. No room for spectrum #mathchat
11:56 pm
familyonbikes:
@ccampbel14 That's my pet peeve - hate it when parents tell kids it's OK to be "bad" in math. #mathchat
11:57 pm
maggiekb1:
If you weren't gifted at it, you were doomed. That's not helpful. #mathchat
11:57 pm
republicofmath:
Way to go! @familyonbikes #mathchat #mathphobia
11:57 pm
tcarmody:
RT @maggiekb1: Fascinated by the discussion about mathphobia and improving math education going on in #mathchat
11:57 pm
ccampbel14:
Think we have 2 do more than 'math' 2 help students be successful. Learn how 2 take risks, work collaboratively, be supportive, .. #mathchat
11:57 pm
rchmcgrth:
RT @Saskateach: @cybraryman1 Students need a good foundation supported by understanding not memorization. #mathchat
11:57 pm
WelcomeMendoza:
RT @familyonbikes: I used to have kids explain their thinking and process if they wanted. Within a few weeks, they all were. Worked great! #mathchat
11:58 pm
maggiekb1:
2) Very few teachers were willing to teach same concept in multiple ways. #mathchat
11:58 pm
Saskateach:
/@mrdfleming I wld ask them 2 define ok. Do they feel confident & competent in math? To they really understand it? Is ok enough #mathchat
11:58 pm
TheAxeR:
RT @ccampbel14: Think we have 2 do more than 'math' 2 help students be successful. Learn how 2 take risks, work collaboratively, be supportive, .. #mathchat
11:58 pm
mrdfleming:
@maggiekb1 You're SO right! There seems to be no in between in opinions. #mathchat
11:58 pm
LoreenLeedy:
When I speak to groups of teachers and ask those that like math to raise their hands, it's one or two or sometimes crickets. #mathchat
11:58 pm
maggiekb1:
3) From an early age, there was emphasis on speed. I'm convinced timed math drills help nobody. #mathchat
11:58 pm
familyonbikes:
@mrdfleming I so wish we could remove that idea that being bad at math is OK. Where did that come from anyway? #mathchat
11:59 pm
republicofmath:
No - doomed is not good! Hope and security to express own thinknig win every time. @maggiekb1#mathchat #mathphobia
11:59 pm
ccampbel14:
I believe it was @MariaDroujkova that said if we can speak we can do math. Language is abstract & symbolic so we all can do math. #mathchat
11:59 pm
Saskateach:
RT @mrdfleming: Sad but true RT @familyonbikes: Mathphobia exists because it is acceptable in society to be "bad at math" "Bad in reading" is not #mathchat
11:59 pm
davidwees:
Mathphobia also exists because people see math as this inaccessible foreign language. #mathchat
11:59 pm
tcarmody:
I asked my college students to write "math autobiography" for me. Major source of anxiety: elem school flash card competitions #mathchat
11:59 pm
mrdfleming:
@Saskateach BINGO! I have learned SO much about the place value system since I started teaching and exploring "New Math"... #mathchat
11:59 pm
silverbeet:
interesting #mathchat stream, @maggiekb1. Catch it, @allinthemind.


cybraryman1:
@LizDk Yes, I can definitely seeing tech helping. Teachers also have to work and be more understanding with reluctant students. #mathchat

maggiekb1:
It took years before I learned there was difference between "can't do math" and "can't do enough math problems in 3 minutes." #mathchat

lovedrummin:
What is the importance of C.G.I. math #mathchat

familyonbikes:
@republicofmath If kids feel comfortable explaining their thinking and know they won't be judged, it's OK to be wrong. #mathchat
12:01 am
mrdfleming:
@familyonbikes I'm guessing it came when calculators were invented... #mathchat
12:01 am
ccampbel14:
@tcarmody Most people have vivid memories of good/bad experiences in math. Either way it impacts a person as they become an adult. #mathchat
12:01 am
republicofmath:
I was good at math speed tests. Those who aren't suffer needlessly. #maggiekb1 #mathchat#mathphobia
12:01 am
Saskateach:
@davidwees It was a language that was never their own. They heard it, maybe even spoke it, but never understood it. #mathchat
12:01 am
tcarmody:
I agree with @maggiekb1: timed math tests & drills cause a lot of anxiety & distort how mathematicians actually work. #mathchat
12:01 am
unwyn:
RT @republicofmath: I was good at math speed tests. Those who aren't suffer needlessly. #maggiekb1 #mathchat #mathphobia
12:01 am
LoreenLeedy:
People with great math skills often go to fast for the not-so-skilled, intimidates the latter. #mathchat
12:01 am
davidwees:
@tcarmody I like the idea of a math autobiography. Could do that at any level. #mathchat
12:02 am
ccampbel14:
I think technology can help us. Stronger link between concrete, pictorial & symbolic. Great dynamic visuals, etc. #mathchat
12:02 am
LoreenLeedy:
RT @davidwees: @tcarmody I like the idea of a math autobiography. Could do that at any level. #mathchat
12:02 am
OddLetters:
Taking philosophy of math in college did not necessarily cure my math phobia, but did make me love math. Now I am conflicted. #mathchat
12:02 am
Saskateach:
@republicofmath Math speed test- one students triumph, another students humiliation :( #mathchatWhy do we continue this???
12:02 am
mrdfleming:
I think a lot of it boils down to the overall climate of the classroom. Is it safe to make mistakes? If not, needs to be fixed! #mathchat
12:03 am
republicofmath:
Main cause of #mathphobia in pre-service teachers, IME, is being humiliated and tested on top of that humiliation. #mathchat
12:03 am
davidwees:
What can we do to combat #mathphobia? #mathchat
12:03 am
mrdfleming:
@familyonbikes Perhaps, but I think the general feeling that it is "ok" to not be good at math may have stemmed from calculators #mathchat
12:04 am
LoreenLeedy:
RT @Saskateach: @republicofmath Math speed test- one students triumph, another students humiliation :( #mathchat Why do we continue this???
12:04 am
padgets:
#mathchat Hello everybody! sorry I am late, hubby took me out just because, what are we talking about?
12:04 am
ccampbel14:
I used this assignment: "Draw a picture of a mathematician. Explain what they do."... #mathchat
12:04 am
davidwees:
How can we show students how much of math they already know? Maybe if they realized they do math already, they'd be less afraid. #mathchat
12:04 am
lovedrummin:
Anyone familiar with Cognitively Guided Instruction in Math? What are pros/cons? #mathchat
12:04 am
LoreenLeedy:
RT @tcarmody: I asked my college students to write "math autobiography" for me. Major source of anxiety: elem school flash card competitions #mathchat
12:04 am
Saskateach:
@ccampbel14 Tech will make gr8 teaching better, but won't make poor teaching better. Fancy drill&practice is still drill&practice #mathchat
12:05 am
familyonbikes:
@mrdfleming No kidding! Kids need to feel like they won't be condemned if they make a mistake. Why do they feel that way? #mathchat
12:05 am
kristac:
Totally agree!!! RT @maggiekb1: 3) From an early age, there was emphasis on speed. I'm convinced timed math drills help nobody. #mathchat
12:05 am
ccampbel14:
...Most kids drew Einstein or men & very few women. This opened up the convo about who CAN be good at math. Where do we use math? #mathchat
12:05 am
tcarmody:
Math teaching doesn't always recognize that it's really teaching a kind of writing. Write these symbols in this order. #mathchat
12:05 am
davidwees:
Given that a lot of change is happening in mathematics education today, do you think Mathphobia will be a problem in the future? #mathchat
12:06 am
davidwees:
Alternative assessment can really help build student's confidence in math. #mathchat
12:06 am
mrdfleming:
@familyonbikes It can be parents who push too hard, or even teachers that push too hard. #mathchat
12:06 am
maggiekb1:
Agree with the people talking about fun, creative, game-based learning. Only math I ever enjoyed was matrices. Puzzle to solve. #mathchat
12:07 am
ccampbel14:
@davidwees Just like problem solving-they all do it! If their iPod is broken they'll figure it out. Need 2 show they already do it #mathchat
12:07 am
Saskateach:
@mrdfleming Calculators can give us an answer but can't give us an understanding of how we got there. We need that understanding #mathchat
12:07 am
lissgriffin:
tell kids you want to take the nausea out of maths, be direct. lots of praise & encouragement. Goes a long way #mathchat
12:07 am
Ipad41001:
RT @silverbeet: interesting #mathchat stream, @maggiekb1. Catch it, @allinthemind.
12:07 am
mrdfleming:
@familyonbikes Took a while for a student of mine to feel comfortable w/ making mistakes. I told him that's how people learn. #mathchat
12:07 am
k_5remediation:
RT @republicofmath: To combat #mathphobia make #math class safe place. Respectful of all students thought proc. http://kvs.co/1a5T #mathchat
12:08 am
Saskateach:
RT @kristac: Totally agree!!! RT @maggiekb1: 3) From an early age, there was emphasis on speed. I'm convinced timed math drills help nobody. #mathchat
12:08 am
LoreenLeedy:
Lay people/parents think math is just about numbers and operations, don't realize how pervasive it is. #mathchat
12:08 am
ccampbel14:
@davidwees Hopeful that mathphobia will cease to exist.I believe that math is more accessible now with new emphasi -understanding #mathchat
12:08 am
familyonbikes:
@maggiekb1 #mathphobia is a tough thing to get over, in any case. #mathchat
12:08 am
davidwees:
@garystager 20 years ago hardly anyone was talking about constructivism in math. I'd say that's improved a lot since. One example. #mathchat
12:08 am
mrdfleming:
Like this! RT @ccampbel14: I used this assignment: "Draw a picture of a mathematician. Explain what they do."... #mathchat
12:09 am
ccampbel14:
@mrdfleming @familyonbikes Learning to make mistakes and NOT erasing them, but learning from them is key! #mathchat
12:09 am
elephantsgerald:
@davidwees You should show students how much math they are doing when they play halo, etc. #mathchat
12:09 am
davidwees:
@garystager My entire ed degree in Secondary math was focused on collaboration, technology as tool, etc... #mathchat
12:09 am
Saskateach:
Need to move to math that is alive, and beyond the textbook. It can be fun, creative, collaborative... #mathchat
12:09 am
familyonbikes:
@mrdfleming We spent weeks practicing how to explain our thinking process. Once they knew how, they did great - even if wrong. #mathchat
12:10 am
mrdfleming:
@davidwees Unfortunately, until we can break the cycle, it will be very difficult to eliminate mathphobia #mathchat
12:10 am
lovedrummin:
Our district has started Cognitively Guided Instruction in Math & the students are really enjoying math. They beg for more. #mathchat
12:10 am
republicofmath:
Main thing is to have respect for student thinking. Is that more likely in future? Maybe. #mathchat#mathphobia
12:10 am
familyonbikes:
RT @ccampbel14: @mrdfleming @familyonbikes Learning to make mistakes and NOT erasing them, but learning from them is key! #mathchat
12:10 am
mrdfleming:
RT @ccampbel14: @mrdfleming @familyonbikes Learning to make mistakes and NOT erasing them, but learning from them is key! #mathchat
12:11 am
davidwees:
@elephantsgerald yeah lots of math there, many hundreds of computations happening in their heads w/o them realizing. #mathchat
12:11 am
Ipad41001:
#mathchat should a basic goal of teaching math be how to pick a good mobile phone plan/mortage? microeconomics kind of things
12:11 am
familyonbikes:
@ccampbel14 So true. I hate it when they erase and pretend it never happened. #mathchat
12:11 am
cybraryman1:
@padgets I am afraid to tell you the topic! Math phobia! #mathchat
12:11 am
suburbanlion:
This >> RT @ccampbel14 Learning to make mistakes and NOT erasing them, but learning from them is key! #mathchat
12:12 am
davidwees:
@garystagerI hope so. I hate the fact calculus is on top. Statistics maybe, probability definitely, but calculus? Who uses that? #mathchat
12:12 am
mrdfleming:
I know many schools do a family reading night... perhaps a family math night would be just as important #mathchat
12:12 am
ccampbel14:
Think students have learned to value the exact answer more than estimates. Need to work on building this skill for real-life! #mathchat
12:12 am
republicofmath:
Collaboration/technology dont necessarily lead to respect for student thinking. Confusion still possible @garystager @davidwees #mathchat
12:12 am
lovedrummin:
I believe hen teachers stop teaching by rote and math begins to encourage ingenuity students become engaged. http://bit.ly/cXOM7l #mathchat
12:13 am
davidwees:
It would help a lot in math education if the pinnacle of math was something more useful than calculus to everyday life. #mathchat
12:13 am
Saskateach:
RT @davidwees: @garystagerI hope so. I hate the fact calculus is on top. Statistics maybe, probability definitely, but calculus? Who uses that? #mathchat
12:13 am
padgets:
@cybraryman1 yep my secret is out! BUT thanks to you and Colin I am using your resources to learn what I missed #mathchat :-)
12:13 am
ccampbel14:
Think personality also plays role in learning. Some people are risk-takers, others won't try until they think it will be perfect. #mathchat
12:14 am
LoreenLeedy:
@davidwees A math prof once confessed to me that not all students really need to know calculus. #mathchat
12:14 am
lovedrummin:
@familyonbikes @ccampbel14 How about using crayon, marker, pen etc. so they can't erase mistakes? #mathchat
12:14 am
Saskateach:
@mrdfleming I have supported many schools with a Family Math Night. Always fun and a gr8 first step #mathchat
12:15 am
republicofmath:
Calculus is not the problem - elementary/middle school/junior HS #math is - that's where the fear is learned. @davidwees #mathchat
12:15 am
familyonbikes:
Long term #family #travel is great, but it's not all roses, gumdrops, and puppy dog tails.http://bit.ly/d1kWfL #mathchat
12:15 am
ccampbel14:
Think proportional reasoning & statistical understanding should be emphasized & students would see the value & have more success. #mathchat
12:16 am
lovedrummin:
@lissgriffin http://bit.ly/cXOM7l There is a big push in South Dakota for this right now. #mathchat
12:16 am
davidwees:
We should rethink the math curriculum. Statistics/probability/algorithms on top? http://is.gd/fQsmJ#mathchat
12:16 am
cybraryman1:
Show your students the different job possibilities: Careers in Math: http://bit.ly/98n7Z1 #mathchat
12:16 am
ccampbel14:
When learning something new the less permanent you can make something the more risk-taking. E.g. geoboard instead of dot paper. #mathchat
12:17 am
davidwees:
@republicofmath But the last topic learned in HS math determines what the first topics need to be? #mathchat
12:17 am
cybraryman1:
@creativityassoc They are talking about math phobia on #mathchat now!
12:17 am
suburbanlion:
RT @republicofmath: Calculus is not the problem - elementary/middle school/junior HS #math is - that's where the fear is learned. @davidwees #mathchat
12:17 am
mrdfleming:
@republicofmath Agreed... most calculus students are not mathphobic... #mathchat
12:17 am
creativityassoc:
Polygons through clay. Word problems through drama. RT @cybraryman1: @creativityassoc They are talking about math phobia on #mathchat now!
12:17 am
familyonbikes:
@lovedrummin I like them to be able to correct their mistakes on their own so like pencil. Don't like erasing to hide mistakes. #mathchat
12:17 am
cybraryman1:
RT @republicofmath: Calculus is not the problem - elemen/middle school/JHS #math is - that's where the fear is learned. @davidwees #mathchat
12:18 am
uscedu67:
Get students "hungry" to find answers and high tolerance for mental challenges. The early years (K-8) are vital. #mathchat
12:18 am
davidwees:
I'll summarize article. Essentially calculus & algebra less useful than statistics, probability, algorithms b/c of job market. #mathchat
12:18 am
padgets:
RT @cybraryman1: Show your students the different job possibilities: Careers in Math:http://bit.ly/98n7Z1 #mathchat
12:19 am
davidwees:
If we assume that calculus is our goal, then a lot of what we teach is prescribed as a result. #mathchat
12:19 am
familyonbikes:
RT @ccampbel14: When learning something new the less permanent you can make something the more risk-taking. E.g. geoboard instead of dot paper. #mathchat
12:19 am
padgets:
#mathchat the fear for me happened when a teacher said "Sharon, you will never be good at math" that was in 3rd grade
12:19 am
cybraryman1:
I think the key point is that you need more training for elementary school teachers in teaching math to instill a passion for it #mathchat
12:20 am
uscedu67:
When I was in school we did nothing but math facts....I would give up on word problems quickly. #mathchat
12:20 am
badgerdwitness:
@silverbeet there's a thing called #mathchat ?!? How did I not know about this? I love it.
12:20 am
uscedu67:
RT @cybraryman1: I think the key point is that you need more training for elementary school teachers in teaching math to instill a passion for it #mathchat
12:20 am
Ipad41001:
RT @davidwees: I'll summarize article. Essentially calculus & algebra less useful than statistics, probability, algorithms b/c of job market. #mathchat
12:20 am
mthman:
Combating math phobia begins with praise...what do you praise? Do you praise effort or intelligence? #mathchat
12:20 am
lovedrummin:
@lissgriffin I have much more information @school - would be happy to send you information tomorrow. #mathchat
12:20 am
Saskateach:
RT @uscedu67: Get students "hungry" to find answers and high tolerance for mental challenges. The early years (K-8) are vital. #mathchat
12:21 am
Saskateach:
@uscedu67 So true. We need to foster patience, persistence and curiosity in mathematics. #mathchat
12:21 am
lovedrummin:
@Saskateach we have a math and science night everynight - very effective for educating parents! #mathchat
12:21 am
davidwees:
Maybe secondary math teachers should be given time to mentor elementary teachers? Give them some ideas on how to teach topics? #mathchat
12:22 am
Ipad41001:
RT @davidwees: We should rethink the math curriculum. Statistics/probability/algorithms on top?http://is.gd/fQsmJ #mathchat
12:22 am
uscedu67:
RT @padgets: RT @cybraryman1: Show your students the different job possibilities: Careers in Math: http://bit.ly/98n7Z1 #mathchat
12:22 am
republicofmath:
But hard to do stats, prob, algorithms without #algebra. Already #mathphobia there. #calcuuls is not the problem. #mathchat @davidwees
12:22 am
davidwees:
@republicofmath Maybe not in elementary school, but definitely determines part of what we teach in high school. #mathchat
12:22 am
Ipad41001:
RT @badgerdwitness: @silverbeet there's a thing called #mathchat ?!? How did I not know about this? I love it.
12:22 am
jasonchri:
@davidwees I think we're shifting from creating engineers to creating mathematical thinkers #mathchat
12:22 am
tjmeister:
I have recently rekindled an interest in spatial geometry through exposure to 3D vworlds/game modding while helping my kids. #mathchat
12:23 am
badgerdwitness:
#mathchat Teachers should try to capture students' imagination with numbers. Show them how amazing numbers are instead of how scary
12:23 am
elephantsgerald:
Every day students tell me they don't see the point of math. 4 them, math is worksheets. Nothing else. They want to make stuff! #mathchat
12:23 am
padgets:
#mathchat I would like to see less rote memorization and more inquiry about math, real world, elementary kids can do that too
12:23 am
Saskateach:
Growth mindset=EffortRT @mthman: Combating math phobia begins w/ praise...what do u praise? Do you praise effort or intelligence? #mathchat
12:23 am
davidwees:
What I remember about math before my great teachers in grade 4, 5, 6. Worksheets, worksheets, worksheets. #mathchat
12:23 am
Scorgo:
?@mrdfleming: elem tchrs can have a neg view of Math, & pass it down to students unfortunately" absolutely agree! I c it often #mathchat
12:23 am
cybraryman1:
RT @uscedu67: Get students "hungry" to find answers & high tolerance for mental challenges Early years (K-8) are vital #mathchat
12:24 am
republicofmath:
#mthman Praise effort. Intelligence, as Piaget understood it, grows as student reflects on effort. #mathchat #mathphobia
12:24 am
historytunes:
@padgets #mathchat I can relate, my 3rd gr teacher labled me "the Slow Worker"& called me that in front of class. What's w/ 3rd gr tchcrs?
12:24 am
elephantsgerald:
Using the math and algorithms that run facebook: that's the math I'd want to learn if i was in HS #mathchat
12:24 am
davidwees:
It's hard to have an imagination about how to teach a topic for which you have no love & no passion. #mathchat
12:24 am
Saskateach:
@davidwees But do secondary teachers know how to TEACH math or do they just really know the content? #mathchat
12:24 am
BeckyFisher73:
Sat through 75 minute/32 slide PowerPoint on what is wrong with math education today...#mathchat
12:24 am
lovedrummin:
@cybraryman1 The state of SD is training el ed teachers in Cognitively guided Instruction in Math - it has been very effective! #mathchat
12:24 am
suburbanlion:
@davidwees there's a lot of unnecessary stuff in curriculum leading up to calc. Calc could follow Alg1 if Alg1 wasn't so broken. #mathchat
12:24 am
minjae:
The math education I got in Korea did make a math whiz out of me, but didn't translate into a career using it on a daily basis. #mathchat
12:25 am
Ipad41001:
RT @tcarmody: Math teaching doesn't always recognize that it's really teaching a kind of writing. Write these symbols in this order. #mathchat
12:25 am
mthman:
Practice menral math regularly! #mathchat
12:25 am
davidwees:
@Saskateach Some know how to teach. We'd want to cherry pick the secondary teachers for sure. #mathchat
12:25 am
inspector911:
RT @familyonbikes: Long term #family #travel is great, but it's not all roses, gumdrops, and puppy dog tails. http://bit.ly/d1kWfL #mathchat
12:25 am
ccampbel14:
Thanks for the #mathchat, I've got to run. I would recommend watching this:http://goo.gl/MvoA
12:25 am
jasonchri:
Students have to see a need for math. Completing a blank on a worksheet is not the answer #mathchat
12:25 am
padgets:
#mathchat at 40 something it stays with you and as a science teacher it puts me at a disadvantage to teach math to my kids
12:25 am
Ipad41001:
RT @badgerdwitness: #mathchat Teachers should try to capture students' imagination with numbers. Show them how amazing numbers are instead of how scary
12:25 am
padgets:
@historytunes #mathchat I do not know :(
12:26 am
elephantsgerald:
When my art students tell me they want to make video games I tell them I hope you like mat. Blank look follows. #mathchat
12:26 am
padgets:
#mathchat does anyone do KenKen puzzles?
12:26 am
jasonchri:
@BeckyFisher73 Might the answer to what's wrong be 75 minute/32 slide powerpoints? #mathchat
12:26 am
davidwees:
Here's idea for place value. Buy thousands of beans. Full day project to count them. Give them 5 small cups to keep track... #mathchat
12:26 am
cybraryman1:
@lovedrummin I love SD! Hope that program if really successful can be replicated in other states. #mathchat
12:26 am
LoreenLeedy:
My math ed was 100% abstract, no connection to real life, ever. Parabolas? Still am waiting to use one. #mathchat
12:27 am
davidwees:
... eventually kids will recognize that they need to keep track of the beans in groups instead of individually; hence place value. #mathchat
12:27 am
Scorgo:
Be purposeful, explicit, and repetitive with math vocabulary at all levels! #mathchat
12:27 am
RolyneButler:
RT @badgerdwitness: #mathchat Teachers should try to capture students' imagination with numbers. Show them how amazing numbers are instead of how scary
12:27 am
jasonchri:
@ccampbel14 Anything Dan Meyer does is outstanding. He makes kids see a need for math #mathchat
12:27 am
davidwees:
@BeckyFisher73 Did you get a chance to talk about what's wrong with 75 min/32 slide PowerPoint presentations? :) #mathchat
12:27 am
Saskateach:
@davidwees I think there would be two sides 1) how do we teach math to others 2)Do we understand the math ourselves. #mathchat
12:28 am
davidwees:
@LoreenLeedy At least you get to see parabolas every day. Pick something up and throw it to a friend, voila a parabola. #mathchat
12:29 am
uscedu67:
As a sub I ask students during math time, "Who likes challenges?" They ALL raise their hands. Kids' brains are ripe for math. #mathchat
12:29 am
republicofmath:
Anyone know what happened to @ColinTGraham? #mathchat
12:29 am
suburbanlion:
@LoreenLeedy ever catch an object being tossed to you? that's a parabola! #mathchat
12:29 am
Scorgo:
Often I hear how hard it is to teach, asses and support personal strategies. It starts with modeling, listening & asking ?s. #mathchat
12:29 am
padgets:
#mathchat so i would like you all to consider throwing away the book and giving kids like me ways to learn math without paper pencil, maybe?
12:29 am
minjae:
That said, math helped me transition to a new life in Canada when I couldn't speak English very well. #universallanguage #mathchat
12:29 am
oline73:
RT @fiteach: Yes!!! RT @cybraryman1: If a student does not have a good grounding in basic math they will struggle #mathchat
12:29 am
davidwees:
Told my student I was tweeting away about math. He laughed out loud. Loudly. #mathchat
12:30 am
Saskateach:
RT @padgets: #mathchat so i would like you all to consider throwing away the book and giving kids like me ways to learn math without paper pencil, maybe?
12:30 am
lovedrummin:
@cybraryman1 thr R many resources out as an ed that teaches children music, I am able to take ideas from the C.G.I. & use in my rm #mathchat
12:30 am
uscedu67:
I didn't learn the joy of mentally challenging math problems until later in life...if I had learned it early...#mathchat
12:30 am
republicofmath:
Thanks for #mathchat. Time for me to go.
12:30 am
towittertoo:
RT @elephantsgerald: Every day students tell me they don't see the point of math. 4 them, math is worksheets. Nothing else. They want to make stuff! #mathchat
12:31 am
LoreenLeedy:
@davidwees And I draw them all the time, just don't plot them. : ) #mathchat
12:31 am
jasonchri:
Worksheet teachers have limited content skill and more limited math teaching skill. Focus on making them better. #brutalhonesty #mathchat
12:31 am
padgets:
@mthman #mathchat similar to Sudoko(sp?) but if you google it is a puzzle that is FREEE! I used it with my ELL kids this summer
12:31 am
Ipad41001:
RT @davidwees: Told my student I was tweeting away about math. He laughed out loud. Loudly. #mathchat
12:31 am
marcelamomberg:
RT @cybraryman1: RT @republicofmath: Calculus is not the problem - elemen/middle school/JHS #math is - that's where the fear is learned. @davidwees #mathchat
12:31 am
davidwees:
Planning some sessions on multimedia in the mathematics classroom. This is one way to connect math to the world. #mathchat
12:32 am
badgerdwitness:
Beyond showing them a NEED for math, teachers' job should be to mystify students with the power of numbers and what they can do. #mathchat
12:32 am
Scorgo:
RT @uscedu67: I didn't learn the joy of mentally challenging math problems until later in life...if I had learned it early...#mathchat
12:32 am
Saskateach:
Agree RT @uscedu67: I didn't learn the joy of mentally challenging math problems until later in life...if I had learned it early...#mathchat
12:32 am
republicofmath:
Making him laugh is good! @davidwees #mathchat
12:32 am
uscedu67:
RT @fiteach: Yes!!! RT @cybraryman1: If a student does not have a good grounding in basic math they will struggle #mathchat
12:33 am
uscedu67:
RT @jasonchri: @ccampbel14 Anything Dan Meyer does is outstanding. He makes kids see a need for math #mathchat
12:33 am
Saskateach:
@davidwees Talking about math was not always facilitated. We had to DO math not discuss it. #mathchat
12:33 am
LoreenLeedy:
@suburbanlion Right, not opposed to parabolas, rather like their shape. It was all that plotting of points without context. #mathchat
12:33 am
elephantsgerald:
RT @davidwees: Told my student I was tweeting away about math. He laughed out loud. Loudly. #mathchat
12:33 am
davidwees:
I love reading Dan Meyer's post about "I used to think a good lesson started with a good worksheet". #mathchat
12:33 am
uscedu67:
RT @davidwees: Here's idea for place value. Buy thousands of beans. Full day project to count them. Give them 5 small cups to keep track... #mathchat
12:34 am
towittertoo:
@davidwees no offense but its secondary teachers that cold use some more mentoring from the elementary teachers :D #mathchat
12:34 am
elephantsgerald:
@padgets That's what I love about teaching art. There never was a book. #mathchat
12:34 am
badgerdwitness:
E.G. teach early about things like the golden ratio, pascal's triangle, Gauss' childhood achievments, etc. Create genuine interest #mathchat
12:34 am
lovedrummin:
Here is one resource that we are using for C.G.I. http://amzn.to/dlG3Na #mathchat
12:34 am
davidwees:
Nice to see some new faces in #mathchat. Join us Thursdays at 7:30pm EST or on Mondays (what's time on Mondays again?).
12:35 am
padgets:
#mathchat @elephantsgerald I love that about art and science no book here either :-)
12:35 am
Ipad41001:
RT @badgerdwitness: E.G. teach early about things like the golden ratio, pascal's triangle, Gauss' childhood achievments, etc. Create genuine interest #mathchat
12:36 am
uscedu67:
W/ Mean, Median, and Mode I like to use small boxes of raisins..whole class data collection.During Oct. using small bags of M&M's #mathchat
12:36 am
davidwees:
@towittertoo Okay. So maybe we need a lot more dialogue between elementary math & secondary math teachers? #mathchat
12:36 am
padgets:
#mathchat yes, bookless lessons are time consuming but well worth it for the kids :-)
12:36 am
lovedrummin:
C.G.I. is bringing algebra and geometry into lower elementary math classes. #mathchat
12:37 am
republicofmath:
Agreed! @owittertoo @davidwees secondary teachers could use some more mentoring from the elementary teachers :D #mathchat
12:37 am
towittertoo:
@davidwees :D yes and Thanks for the #mathchat
12:37 am
padgets:
RT @towittertoo: no offense but its secondary teachers that cold use some more mentoring from the elementary teachers :D #mathchat agree!
12:37 am
Ipad41001:
RT @lovedrummin: Here is one resource that we are using for C.G.I. http://amzn.to/dlG3Na#mathchat
12:37 am
Saskateach:
Thanks for the #mathchat everyone . Hope @mathchat is okay.
12:37 am
elephantsgerald:
RT @badgerdwitness: Beyond showing a NEED 4 math, teachers should mystify students with the power of numbers & what they can do. #mathchat
12:38 am
padgets:
#mathchat well folks, I very very much appreciate your conversation, thanks for you kind thoughts, tweet you all next time, need food!!
12:38 am
HHG:
RT @davidwees: How can we show students how much of math they already know? Maybe if they realized they do math already, they'd be less afraid. #mathchat
12:38 am
lovedrummin:
@davidwees we need that all around in education, not just math! #mathchat
12:38 am
davidwees:
Heading home folks, thanks so much for #mathchat. Glad I had a chance to catch it this week.
12:39 am
uscedu67:
RT @elephantsgerald: RT @badgerdwitness: Beyond showing a NEED 4 math, teachers should mystify students with the power of numbers & what they can do. #mathchat
12:39 am
elephantsgerald:
@badgerdwitness My 3D college design class had to make a project based on the golden ratio. otherwise i'd have no idea. #mathchat
12:39 am
lovedrummin:
Thanks for the chat! Very interesting seeing other perspectives! #mathchat
12:39 am
InFocusEDU:
@davidwees I'd be curious to hear what you think the role of interactive technologies are in the math classroom. #mathchat ^CC
12:39 am
swizzdaily:
RT @ccampbel14: When learning something new the less permanent you can make something the more risk-taking. E.g. geoboard instead of dot paper. #mathchat
12:40 am
LoreenLeedy:
RT @davidwees: How can we show students how much of math they already know? Maybe if they realized they do math already, they'd be less afraid. #mathchat
12:40 am
uscedu67:
RT @lovedrummin: Here is one resource that we are using for C.G.I. http://amzn.to/dlG3Na#mathchat
12:40 am
suburbanlion:
Is #mathphobia really just a fear of #math? Or is it a symptom of a general fear of thinking for one's self? #mathchat
12:41 am
elephantsgerald:
I've taught elementary and HS, and my elem teaching was a better prep for HS than the other way around. #mathchat
12:41 am
spsanderson:
RT @suburbanlion: Is #mathphobia really just a fear of #math? Or is it a symptom of a general fear of thinking for one's self? #mathchat
12:42 am
NicolRHoward:
@elephantsgerald Agreed! #mathchat
12:42 am
republicofmath:
IME fear of math alone. @suburbanlion Is #mathphobia just fear of #math? Or symptom of general fear of thinking for one's self? #mathchat
12:43 am
republicofmath:
Now it really is time to go! Great #mathchat