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001 Differentiation
002 'Real' maths
003 Fractions
004 Manipulatives
005 Assessment
006 What technology?
007 Adult curriculum
008 Reflective Learners
009 Engagement
010 Class Time Use
011 Why I hate maths
012 Terminology
013 'Mathphobia'
014 The Nature of Maths
015 Show and Tell
016 Vertical Integration
017 Product to Process
018 Investigation Length
019 Preparation for Work
020 Success in Mathematics
021 Groupwork
022 Effective lessons
023 Impact of ICT
024 Mathematics Websites
028 Why under 16?
2010.07.15 Differentiation
2010.07.19 Differentiation (2)
2010.07.22 'Real' maths
2010.07.26 'Real' maths (2)
2010.07.29 Fractions
2010.08.02 Fractions (2)
2010.08.05 Manipulatives
2010.08.09 Manipulatives (2)
2010.08.12 Assessment
2010.08.16 Assessment (2)
2010.08.19 What tech?
2010.08.23 What tech? (2)
2010.08.26 Adult maths
2010.08.30 Adult maths (2)
2010.09.02 Reflective learner
2010.09.06 Reflective learner 2
2010.09.09 Engagement
2010.09.13 Engagement 2
2010.09.16 Class Time Use
2010.09.20 Class Time Use 2
2010.09.23 Why I hate maths
2010.09.27 Why I hate math 2
2010.09.30 Terminology
2010.10.04 Terminology 2
2010.10.07 'Mathphobia'
2010.10.11 'Mathphobia' (2)
2010.10.14 Nature of Maths
2010.10.18 Nature of Maths (2)
2010.10.21 Show and Tell
2010.10.25 Show and Tell (2)
2010.10.28 Vertical Integration
2010.11.01 Vertical Integratn 2
2010.11.04 Product to Process
2010.11.08 Product to Proc. 2
2010.11.11 Investigation length
2010.11.15 Investigation leng 2
2010.11.18 Prepn for work
2010.11.22 Prepn for work 2
2010.11.25 Success in Maths
2010.12.03 Groupwork
2010.12.06 Groupwork 2
2010.12.10 Effective lessons
2010.12.13 Effective Lesson 2
2010.12.17 Impact of ICT
2010.12.20 Impact of ICT 2
2010.12.24 Maths Websites
2011.01.03 Maths Website 2
2011.01.07 Ideal curriculum
2011.01.10 Ideal curriculum 2
2011.01.14 Short or longterm
2011.01.17 Short or longterm2
2011.01.21 Continuing PD
2011.01.24 Continuing PD 2
2011.01.28 Why under 16?
2011.01.31 Why under 16? (2)
2011.02.04 Which is more fun?
2011.02.11 Blended learning
2011.02.14 Blended learning 2
2011.02.18 Fast tracking
2011.02.21 Fast tracking (2)
2011.02.25 Misconceptions
2011.02.28 Misconceptions 2
2011.03.04 Good Reads
2011.03.07 Good Reads (2)
2011.03.11 How do I  fractions
2011.03.18 How do I  lang
2011.03.21 How do I  lang (2)
2011.03.25 How do I  curric
2011.03.28 How do I  curric 2
2011.04.01 How?  next topic
2011.04.04 How?  nxt topic 2
2011.04.08 How?  Geometry
2011.04.11 How?  Geom 2
2011.04.15 How?Investigation
2011.04.18 How?Investigatn 2
2011.04.22 How? Do vs. learn
2011.04.25 How?Do vs learn 2
2011.04.29 How?Dig deeper
2011.05.02 How?Dig deeper 2
2011.05.06 'Big Ideas'
2011.05.09 'Big Ideas' (2)
2011.05.13 High school skill
2011.05.16 High school skill 2
2011.05.20 Journals
2011.05.23 Journals (2)
2011.05.27 Studentdriven
2011.05.30 Studentdriven (2)
2011.06.03 How?  Maths play
2011.06.06 How?Maths play 2
2011.06.10 Deeper thinking
2011.06.13 Deeper thinking (2)
2011.06.17 How?  Disjointed
2011.06.17 How?  Disjointed 2
2011.06.24 How?  Problems
2011.06.27 How?  Problems 2
2011.07.01 Holiday maths
2011.10.28 Extent of plans
2011.10.31 Extent of plans (2)
2011.11.04 Authentic is..?
2011.11.07 Authentic is..? (2)
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2010.09.16 Class Time Use
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What is an effective use of class time for maths  reinforcement, learning, support?
As it happened on
Thursday, 16th September 2010, 23:30  00:30 GMT
11:31 pm
ColinTGraham
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Hello everyone, welcome to this week's #
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11:32 pm
ColinTGraham
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If it's your first time, don't try to keep up with everything, just interact with one or two people, and don't forget the hashtag: #
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11:32 pm
ColinTGraham
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Tonight's topic: What is an effective use of class time for maths  reinforcement, learning, support? #
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11:34 pm
ColinTGraham
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Let's start with a ?n: Are these three elements separable, if so, what differences in methodology would you use for each of them? #
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11:40 pm
ColinTGraham
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Anyone here tonight or is Twitter acting up? #
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11:41 pm
padgets
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woops forget the tag :)
11:42 pm
padgets
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well, I think it should be a mix of all 3
11:43 pm
ColinTGraham
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padgets
Do you see a difference between the 3? #
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11:44 pm
Year7Numeracy
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@
ColinTGraham
All these elements have their place. #
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11:45 pm
ColinTGraham
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@
Year7Numeracy
Same question to you, Steve: Do you see a difference between the 3? #
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11:45 pm
padgets
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I see it as a process, I learn a concept, my teacher supports it with guided practice then it is reinforced by homework
11:48 pm
ColinTGraham
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So if it is a process does that mean you spend all of the time on each stage until it is complete? #
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11:49 pm
republicofmath
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Q: "What is an effective use of class time for math?" A: Working together on projects, producing reports:
http://bit.ly/cH7dbA
#
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11:50 pm
padgets
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#
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I look at it more as how a class lesson goes that i saw in one of our math teacher's classroom, like I learned it long ago
11:51 pm
ColinTGraham
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@
republicofmath
Slightly different topic... What is an effective use of class time for maths  reinforcement, learning, support? #
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11:51 pm
padgets
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in my science class, each process is done with multiple lessons with multiple modalities (sp?) :)
11:52 pm
ColinTGraham
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republicofmath
There still needs to be some kind of time allocation for new concepts, supporting, guidance etc, even w/ projects #
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11:52 pm
cybraryman1
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RT @
padgets
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I see it as a process,I learn a concept,my teacher supports it with guided practice then it is reinforced by homework
11:53 pm
Year7Numeracy
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ColinTGraham
Need to intro concept with starter Q, reinforce new learning and support understanding and app. Diff is in the app #
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11:53 pm
jodylo
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RT @
republicofmath
: Q: "What is an effective use of class time for math?" A: Working together on projects, producing reports:
http://bit.ly/cH7dbA
#
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11:54 pm
ColinTGraham
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@
padgets
So a single process with multiple application? #
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11:54 pm
Saskateach
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I think it is imperative to build collaborative problem solving into any math period #
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11:55 pm
padgets
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one part that is sometimes left out is the reinforcement because of the need to get through the curriculum before the big test
11:55 pm
ColinTGraham
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Year7Numeracy
How does timing vary though not every task/project needs same amount of input? #
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11:56 pm
ColinTGraham
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Saskateach
How much time would you devote to this, though? #
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11:57 pm
Saskateach
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No 2 days may look same in a math class. Some times we model, explore, create, do... Variety is key to hitting all learning styles #
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11:57 pm
ColinTGraham
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padgets
Do you see the rush to complete as inefficient then, or do you think the time needs to be spent on 'learning' new stuff? #
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11:58 pm
Saskateach
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@
ColinTGraham
It would depend on the day, the topic and the needs of the students #
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11:58 pm
ColinTGraham
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@
Saskateach
So you are suggesting that an effective use of class time is to 'go with the flow' rather than allocating periods?s #
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11:59 pm
padgets
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@
ColinTGraham
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we can be more efficient when we incorperate 2 or more concepts into one lesson, teachers under pressure to get done
cybraryman1
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Saskateach
Had math class in library (Stock Market Game) Great to see students working together in groups:
http://bit.ly/5fd4kv
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Year7Numeracy
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ColinTGraham
Great Q. Varies depending content. Eg. Introducing algebra last week took longer & next lesson spent more supporting #
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12:01 am
Saskateach
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@
ColinTGraham
Some call it go w/ the flow I prefer term responsive to students needs while honoring learning destination #
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12:01 am
ColinTGraham
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With the 'rush to complete' is it better to know 50% of everything or 100% of half the curriculum? #
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12:02 am
Saskateach
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Can never underestimate the power of student collaboration. They can learn so much from eachother #
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12:03 am
ColinTGraham
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For science teachers who need to use maths, does it make it more difficult if you feel you have to teach the maths b4 the science #
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12:04 am
danielespejo
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@
Saskateach
I agree! We need to honor the pace our students are at and schedule based on their pace. #
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12:04 am
ColinTGraham
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@
Saskateach
That may be easier to achieve in an elementary/primary setting where lessons are much more theme or project orientated #
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12:04 am
padgets
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#
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I often have to because my students cannot do the calculations I ask, such as simple Algebra, that is why I need a tutor :)
12:05 am
Saskateach
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ColinTGraham
Problem w/ that who decides which half of curric "covered". Ss may have gifts in strands that r never addressed #
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12:05 am
ColinTGraham
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danielespejo
And damn the curriculum...? #
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12:05 am
Year7Numeracy
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Saskateach
#
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Excellent perspective. Students needs do need to govern your approach to ensure learning is achieved
12:06 am
padgets
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#
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easier at primary not secondary, have a number of days, a curriculum some of us, not in Iowa,big test at the end of the year
12:07 am
ColinTGraham
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At around age 14 in a typical UK maths class, there can be a 5 or 6 year difference in ability. Whose pace gets honoured? #
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12:07 am
Saskateach
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ColinTGraham
Might b easiler but 4 myself as adult math learner I don't understand concepts as well on own as I do w/ others #
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12:08 am
padgets
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RT @
Saskateach
:Might b easiler but 4 myself as adult math learner I don't understand concepts as well on own as I do w/ others #
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12:08 am
danielespejo
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@
ColinTGraham
I teach math and science and yes it is a challenge to squeeze math prereqs into science class #
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12:09 am
ColinTGraham
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Saskateach
I think current adult 'inadequacies' are down to teaching methods from the past and 'rushing' through curricula #
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12:10 am
ColinTGraham
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I don't know if it's a nonUK thing, but often it seems that middle school science teachers also have to teach maths too. #
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12:11 am
Saskateach
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@
ColinTGraham
Rushing through is an issue so is stagnating in one spot for too long. Important to find a balance. #
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12:11 am
ColinTGraham
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I you feel you don't understand mathematical concepts, do you devote more (too much) time to make sure your Ss do understand? #
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12:11 am
danielespejo
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@
ColinTGraham
it is a difficult challenge to balance. Do you damn the curric. or damn true understanding? #
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12:12 am
ColinTGraham
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danielespejo
Or do you design curricula which provide understanding in the areas of maths which the average adult will need? #
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12:13 am
padgets
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#
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well, I think it is a balance issue, I keep a calendar to help me keep pace, you?
12:14 am
danielespejo
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ColinTGraham
I teach both at HS level in Canada. Hard to specialize physics w/o taking math in uni. Keeps me well rounded. #
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12:15 am
ColinTGraham
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How often do you meet the plans you set for yourself/class in terms of covering curriculum? How does it impact on balance/variety #
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12:15 am
Year7Numeracy
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scooting through the curriculum 2 keep up defeats the purpose. Concepts need 2 b understood before moving on. Balance is key also
12:15 am
cybraryman1
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@
ColinTGraham
Nobody does it better than math teachers! #
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12:16 am
ColinTGraham
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danielespejo
I tutor Alevel Physics (16+) and there is a strong crossover between the subjects at that level #
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12:16 am
Year7Numeracy
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ColinTGraham
#
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Planning met but more time may be spent on some tasks than others. Be flexible. Ensure you teach to the needs of Ss
12:16 am
padgets
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ColinTGraham
#
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not very often :) usually within 23 days of the target
12:17 am
cybraryman1
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Subject area teachers should work with math teachers. I (Social Studies) worked with math teacher when I taught stocks & economics #
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12:17 am
danielespejo
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padgets
me too, but I've had classes a week behind or ahead at any given time. They always finish in the same place (almost) #
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12:17 am
Saskateach
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cybraryman1
LOL...math teachers do love to problem solve. #
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12:18 am
ColinTGraham
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And create problems for themselves too! RT @
Saskateach
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cybraryman1
LOL...math teachers do love to problem solve. #
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12:19 am
padgets
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danielespejo
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yep, that is what happen's to me too, but sometimes like my inclusion classes are purposely behind
12:19 am
ColinTGraham
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Given that curriculum content is currently unchangeable... what do you see as the ideal function of the maths teacher in class? #
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12:20 am
ColinTGraham
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By ideal function  reinforcer, teacher, guide, supporter, questioner... #
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12:21 am
Saskateach
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@
ColinTGraham
1) Build students enjoyment and engagement in mathematics 2) Build their understanding of concepts & application #
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12:22 am
Year7Numeracy
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@
ColinTGraham
Some tasks may soak up more time than expected. Just need to be flexible #
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12:23 am
Year7Numeracy
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ColinTGraham
Students need to enjoy the subject to be fully engaged. This builds trust and learning will prosper #
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12:24 am
ColinTGraham
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@
padgets
Is an inclusion class one with students who may be learning disabled or have special needs  therefore need more support? #
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12:24 am
Saskateach
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All of them RT @
ColinTGraham
: By ideal function  reinforcer, teacher, guide, supporter, questioner... #
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12:25 am
danielespejo
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@
ColinTGraham
Give the Ss lrng strat so they become more independent with time. Use math as medium for these skills #
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#
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12:25 am
ColinTGraham
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OK, I am probably preaching to the converted  Go with the students and if you don't cover all of the curriculum, well... #
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12:26 am
padgets
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#
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i and a sped teacher coteach the class, it is the same curriculum just at a slower pace and different strategies
12:26 am
Saskateach
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RT @
danielespejo
: @
ColinTGraham
Give the Ss lrng strat so they become more independent with time. Use math as medium for these skills #
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#
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12:27 am
ColinTGraham
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padgets
Which of the two types of class do you feel is more successful? #
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12:28 am
ColinTGraham
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danielespejo
That is certainly very much a HS teacher talking! Responsibility for learning... ;) #
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12:29 am
ColinTGraham
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@
Year7Numeracy
How do you decide on the maths/science balance or is there a clear separation between the two? #
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12:30 am
Saskateach
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@
ColinTGraham
I agree but teachers should be conscious of strands & processes of math& ensure that they 're covered every yr #
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12:31 am
padgets
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#
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I feel it depends on the content we are learning, if it is genetics, it is great, if it is cells, maybe overkill
12:31 am
ColinTGraham
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Out of time again, just when we're getting going! During the next few weeks, there will also be a chatroom open. #
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12:32 am
ColinTGraham
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The chatroom should allow for more extended discussion of the topic of the week. Details will be on the Wiki #
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12:33 am
ColinTGraham
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Follow @
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to keep updated! Wiki:
http://mathschat.wikispaces.com/
Add some ideas for future topics too! #
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12:34 am
ColinTGraham
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Thanks everyone, archive will be online in about 30 minutes or so. #
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12:34 am
Saskateach
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Year7Numeracy
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cybraryman1
Thanks for the great conversation. Much food for thought. #
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12:35 am
ColinTGraham
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Don't forget to follow new people too! #
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12:35 am
padgets
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#
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ok, well as always thanks for letting me lurk and learn you all have a good year and tweet you next week :)
12:35 am
danielespejo
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Year7Numeracy
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Yes! Thanks for the good #
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12:36 am
ColinTGraham
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Next week is a 'moderator special'  "Why I hate/love Maths!" bring a friend/enemy! #
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