Topic: How can we engage non-Maths teachers and parents with maths?
As it happened on Thursday, 9th September 2010, 23:30 - 00:30 GMT
11:30 pm
ColinTGraham:
Hello everyone & welcome to tonight's chat. If it's your 1st time, don't try to follow everything, just interact with 1 or 2 ppl. #mathchat
11:31 pm
ColinTGraham:
Don't forget to use the hashtag #mathchat
11:31 pm
ColinTGraham:
Tonight's topic: "How can we engage non-Maths teachers and parents with maths?" #mathchat
11:32 pm
ColinTGraham:
Let's try to focus on disengagement from maths, rather than disengagement in general, if we can! #mathchat
11:34 pm
padgets:
RT @padgets: @ColinTGraham hey there! I am Sharon and I am a high school science teacher form Ottumwa Iowa #mathchat
11:35 pm
ColinTGraham:
Question for everyone: What do you see as the main "turn-offs" related to mathematics? #mathchat
11:36 pm
icecolbeveridge:
Hi! I'm Colin, a math(s) tutor in Poole, on the south coast of England #mathchat
11:37 pm
ccampbel14:
In the past I think it because there is only 1 way to solve something - lack of creativity. #mathchat
11:37 pm
ColinTGraham:
Hi Sharon, Hi Colin (good name!) #mathchat
11:37 pm
ccampbel14:
#mathchat
11:38 pm
padgets:
#mathchat 2 Colins ummmm. :-)
11:38 pm
ColinTGraham:
@ccampbel14 One way being the 'algorithm' or process taught in the book? #mathchat
11:38 pm
icecolbeveridge:
RT @icecolbeveridge: @ColinTGraham "When am I ever going to use this?" is the big turn-off for my students. #mathchat
11:38 pm
ColinTGraham:
RT @icecolbeveridge: "When am I ever going to use this?" is the big turn-off for my students. #mathchat
11:38 pm
padgets:
#mathchat I think many see math as absolute non-dynamic never changing
11:39 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat Thank you, I wish I could say I'd chosen it myself :o)
11:39 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat Hi from Richmond, BC. Just ordered a Math book by Liping Ma today...
11:39 pm
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham Yes, in the past it was only the algorithm taught with little understanding. #mathchat
11:40 pm
ColinTGraham:
@padgets What aspects particularly are seen as unchanging do you think? #mathchat
11:40 pm
ccampbel14:
There is also the belief that only some people can 'do' math. It is difficult & boring too. #mathchat
11:40 pm
ColinTGraham:
@MmeVeilleux Bonsoir Ingrid! What age are you teaching? #mathchat
11:41 pm
ccampbel14:
@MmeVeilleux I ordered one of his books too. Haven't had a chance to read it yet :-( #mathchat
11:41 pm
ColinTGraham:
@ccampbel14 Is this the maths/arithmetic confusion that many people make...? "Doing sums", as it were. #mathchat
11:42 pm
MmeVeilleux:
@ccampbel14 #mathchat Am v. excited. My math library currently includes van de Walle (a basic in my school district) & a few others.
11:42 pm
padgets:
#mathchat well, the tables I had to memorize, and like someone already said, I was told I would never be good at math because of one test
11:43 pm
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham Yes, I think it is the confusion. Algorithms that are so complicated they don't get it and they won't use. #mathchat
11:43 pm
ColinTGraham:
So lack of relevance. Solutions? RT @icecolbeveridge: "When am I ever going to use this?" is the big turn-off for my students. #mathchat
11:43 pm
icecolbeveridge:
#mathchat When I see my students' exercise books, they're full of pages of variations of the same question. Very little problem solving.
11:43 pm
MmeVeilleux:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat I'm not teaching any kids this year, only pre-service tchrs. Plan2 return2 classroom next year. I teach elementary.
11:43 pm
padgets:
@paperwerksart #mathchat i never did get the old math let alone the new :-) but I am trying to learn now
11:43 pm
ccampbel14:
@MmeVeilleux I have used van de Walle books extensively. My current Can fav is Marian Small's work. #mathchat
11:43 pm
KiranArora:
Hi! I'm Kiran, a maths tutor on hiatus, and starting secondary maths PGCE next week! #mathchat
11:43 pm
ColinTGraham:
@padgets So a feeling of inadequacy being introduced because you could recall quickly enough... #mathchat
11:44 pm
ccampbel14:
I also think that kids hear their parents say, "I wasn't good at math" & that allows students to buy out right away. #mathchat
11:44 pm
MmeVeilleux:
@ccampbel14 I don't know Marian Small. #mathchat Is she an author/speaker/both?
11:44 pm
ColinTGraham:
@KiranArora Hi Kiran, thanks for joining us. Good luck on the PGCE it can be exciting... ;-) #mathchat
11:45 pm
padgets:
#mathchat have parents who did not take math classes in high school so they cannot help their kids like in elem.. so kids do not get help
11:45 pm
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat yep exactly
11:45 pm
tperran:
RT @icecolbeveridge: RT @icecolbeveridge: @ColinTGraham "When am I ever going to use this?" #mathchat Check here---> http://bit.ly/WP6ki
11:46 pm
icecolbeveridge:
#mathchat I'd like to see more maths-as-part-of-a-story. You're a pirate, you need to take bearings and calc speed, divide treasure
11:46 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat Some parents too busy or unwilling to help their kids w/math OR just model frustration & math-phobia.
11:46 pm
ccampbel14:
@MmeVeilleux She is from ON. Here is a link to some of her great books: http://tiny.cc/a4w50#mathchat
11:46 pm
padgets:
#mathchat Thanks to some great math friends I am now seeing so many cool things done with tech that shows what can be done with math
11:46 pm
Year7Numeracy:
@ColinTGraham Concepts & examples need 2 be real. We did some algebra this morning & applied q's which you'd face in a supermarket #mathchat
11:46 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat I think that our students are the best spokespeople for how math is taught today b/c when they love it and see relevance, their...
11:47 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat parents will be converted in spite of their own past experiences.
11:47 pm
ColinTGraham:
@icecolbeveridge This sounds like the approach @ddmeyer is trying out with WCYDWT - what can you do with this... #mathchat
11:47 pm
ccampbel14:
@padgets I'd like to see parents allow themselves to learn with their kids & model "We can figure this out togther" #mathchat
11:47 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@MmeVeilleux #mathchat Often parents scared of doing it the 'wrong' way/getting it wrong.
11:48 pm
icecolbeveridge:
RT @ccampbel14: @padgets I'd like to see parents allow themselves to learn with their kids & model "We can figure this out togther" #mathchat
11:48 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat I like the idea of using new technologies (video clips, etc) to make math 'relevant.' Saw a video of math prob where ...
11:48 pm
padgets:
RT @tperran: RT @icecolbeveridge: @ColinTGraham "When am I ever going to use this?" #mathchatCheck here---> http://bit.ly/WP6ki
11:48 pm
ccampbel14:
@icecolbeveridge @MmeVeilleux Or parents teach the 'right' way, the only way they learned. Challenging for the teacher. #mathchat
11:48 pm
ColinTGraham:
My experience is that people take great pride in stating: "I love/hate maths" but never about any other subject.... #mathchat
11:48 pm
padgets:
@ccampbel14 that would be great! #mathchat
11:49 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat a water cooler is filmed being filmed. Q is: how long will it take to fill water cooler? Ans. watch the video in real time! lol
11:49 pm
ghewgley:
Top story on the #mathchat Daily http://bit.ly/bMxifd ? Cybraryman Internet Catalogue
11:49 pm
ccampbel14:
I find it challenging to figure out "When are we going to use this?" I would like support with this. #mathchat
11:49 pm
Year7Numeracy:
#mathchat some parents choose not to embrace maths because "the way you teach maths is different to the way I was taught...so I can't help"
11:49 pm
ccampbel14:
@MmeVeilleux That is the Dan Meyer Ted Talk. It is a great example of real life problem solving #mathchat
11:50 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat My elem school had an open house during education week and every class showcased children's math work.
11:50 pm
ColinTGraham:
OK so parents seem to be a common theme here... Do parents need additional support - eg homework clubs, which they take part in? #mathchat
11:50 pm
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham That is 1 of my pet peeves. I can't do math & it's socially acceptable. We'd never allow "I can't read"! #mathchat
11:50 pm
padgets:
#mathchat Does anyone use like a promethean board or smartboard in their lessons?
11:50 pm
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat In my class, we had measurement stations including kids weighing their parents & recording on chart (good for laughs)
11:51 pm
MmeVeilleux:
@ccampbel14 #mathchat Thanks for the reminder. I had forgotten where I saw it!!!
11:51 pm
padgets:
RT @ccampbel14: That is 1 of my pet peeves. I can't do math & it's socially acceptable. We'd never allow "I can't read"! #mathchat YESSSS!
11:51 pm
ccampbel14:
@padgets I have used a SMART Board for many years now & I help teachers implement them now in math #mathchat
11:51 pm
MmeVeilleux:
RT @ccampbel14: @ColinTGraham That is 1 of my pet peeves. I can't do math & it's socially acceptable. We'd never allow "I can't read"! #mathchat
11:51 pm
ColinTGraham:
@ccampbel14 Sometimes, you have to be pragmatic and say "Most of you won't need this except for exams" honesty works sometimes too #mathchat
11:52 pm
MmeVeilleux:
@ccampbel14 I fully agree with you! #mathchat In today's society, it is indispensible to be math literate!!!
11:52 pm
paperwerksart:
RT @padgets: RT @ccampbel14: That is 1 of my pet peeves. I can't do math & it's socially acceptable. We'd never allow "I can't read"! #mathchat YESSSS!
11:52 pm
ColinTGraham:
@MmeVeilleux When did you last hear someone say "I was useless at Geography"? #mathchat
11:53 pm
MmeVeilleux:
@padgets #mathchat I used the smartboard in math last year but didn't find it more spectacular than other methods. How about you??
11:53 pm
padgets:
#mathchat I also get from my students when I ask them to do calculations in science "this is not math class! so maybe more cross-curricular
11:53 pm
ccampbel14:
In high school math I felt that the teacher knew everything & I was dumb not to get it. Good 2 model recovering from mistakes. #mathchat
11:53 pm
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham Yes, I agree, honesty is great. Just can't say that too often or they will buy out. #mathchat
11:53 pm
padgets:
@MmeVeilleux #mathchat well, I am getting a promethean board Oct 4th, I was wondering if it made a difference :-)
11:54 pm
ColinTGraham:
RT @Year7Numeracy: Hi all. Not being able to see the benefits or use of the skill or concept in the big picture builds the wall #mathchat
11:54 pm
icecolbeveridge:
RT @padgets: #mathchat I also get from my students when I ask them to do calculations in science "this is not math class! so maybe more cross-curricular
11:54 pm
MmeVeilleux:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat I've read that many children measure their intelligence according to their success (or lack thereof) in mathematics.
11:54 pm
MmeVeilleux:
RT @padgets: #mathchat I also get from my students when I ask them to do calculations in science "this is not math class! so maybe more cross-curricular
11:55 pm
icecolbeveridge:
@padgets #mathchat Definitely - I'd love to see cross-subject investigations
11:55 pm
ColinTGraham:
@ccampbel14 Important step is to point out maths that you do use every day or things your brain is doing, and contrasting w/ rest #mathchat
11:55 pm
MmeVeilleux:
@padgets #mathchat I found some uses in Lang Arts that cannot be replicated in paper & pencil (eg. kids love to proofread w/SB) ...
11:55 pm
padgets:
#mathchat maybe instead of math books we should have more problem based tasks that include the math they need to learn?
11:56 pm
padgets:
@MmeVeilleux #mathchat that sounds cool!
11:56 pm
MmeVeilleux:
@padgets #mathchat My math lessons were good w/SmartBoard (well organized, good focusing tool etc) but do we need SB dice?? don't know
11:57 pm
ColinTGraham:
@padgets Or encourage a process where students have to define the maths they need to solve a problem, only don't call it maths! #mathchat
11:57 pm
ccampbel14:
I think elementary school supports cross-curricular connections but the secondary model is more challenging. Must work as a team #mathchat
11:58 pm
ColinTGraham:
@ddmeyer's blog if you don't already read it, start! http://blog.mrmeyer.com/ #mathchat
11:58 pm
padgets:
RT @ColinTGraham: @padgetsencourage a process students have to define the maths need to solve a problem, only don't call it maths! #mathchat
11:59 pm
ColinTGraham:
My earlier question: Do parents need additional support - eg homework clubs, which they take part in? #mathchat
11:59 pm
ccampbel14:
I have offered family math nights to encourage families to 'see' math everywhere in life. Literature connections, p-s, games, etc. #mathchat
11:59 pm
padgets:
@ccampbel14 #mathchat i think you are right, secondary very much wanting to be in control
11:59 pm
ccampbel14:
RT @ColinTGraham: @ddmeyer's blog if you don't already read it, start! http://blog.mrmeyer.com/#mathchat


padgets:
@ccampbel14 #mathchat how was your attendance?

ccampbel14:
I think parents do need mores support. They have never experienced math the way we are teaching it now. It's a new way of thinking #mathchat

ColinTGraham:
@icecolbeveridge There is a huge crossover between Maths and Physics especially... the current Lucasian Prof isn't a mathematician #mathchat

ccampbel14:
At elementary schools the math nights are huge and the middle school nights are becoming more popular. Parents really want 2 learn #mathchat
12:01 am
padgets:
#mathchat I wonder why kids compartmentalize subjects in school?
12:01 am
padgets:
@ccampbel14 #mathchat that sounds great!
12:01 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets Because schools compartmentalize subjects after the age of 11 or so... #mathchat
12:02 am
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat true, why do we do that?
12:02 am
ccampbel14:
Very challenging 2 get parents 2 high school math nights. Difficult 4 students 2 buy in as well. Lots of Ss work part-time,sports. #mathchat
12:03 am
ColinTGraham:
@Year7Numeracy Steve, your students pose questions etc on the class blog, do they separate the maths from the science? #mathchat
12:03 am
ccampbel14:
At family math nights I have a cozy corner with math literature, games to play with dice & cards,problem solving stations etc.Fun! #mathchat
12:03 am
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat Agreed - in fact with all of the sciences, even art and sport.
12:03 am
ColinTGraham:
@ccampbel14 How much HS maths do you think is relevant for the average person, though? #mathchat
12:04 am
AndersonGL:
@padgets #mathchat I think grownups create the sch subj compartmentalization through separating everything by tchr, period, levels, etc.
12:04 am
ppoulin:
RT @MmeVeilleux: #mathchat In my class, we had measurement stations including kids weighing their parents & recording on chart
12:04 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham Unfortunately not much HS math is relevant for the average person. Makes it challenging to create a math evening. #mathchat
12:04 am
padgets:
#mathchat good question, depends on what they want to do after they graduate
12:04 am
ColinTGraham:
For those who tutor or have tutored - what areas tend to be the ones needing most work in terms of practice vs result? #mathchat
12:04 am
padgets:
@AndersonGL #mathchat very true
12:05 am
AndersonGL:
@padgets #mathchat When students are taught in an interdisciplinary fashion, they tend to like it better, learn more, & retain more.
12:05 am
davidwees:
@ColinTGraham Very little HS math is relevant for typical person because of the way most Math teachers teach it. #mathchat
12:05 am
ccampbel14:
@davidwees Do you think the HS curriculum is relevant for most people? Despite how it is taught? #mathchat
12:05 am
ColinTGraham:
@ccampbel14 Maybe get HS to create online manipulatives for elementary/primary levels -- create a deeper understanding of concept #mathchat
12:06 am
davidwees:
Much HS math CAN be made relevant for typical person, if it was taught through real life problems rather than textbook problems. #mathchat
12:06 am
padgets:
@AndersonGL would love to work in a school like that! #mathchat
12:06 am
tperran:
RT @padgets: RT @icecolbeveridge: @ColinTGraham "When am I ever going to use this?" #mathchat I preempted that question with my intro vid!
12:06 am
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat The rote memorisation stuff - formulas and times tables, negative numbers
12:07 am
davidwees:
@ccampbel14 We should try and take a typical HS curriculum and find real-life examples for every topic. Has this been done? #mathchat
12:07 am
padgets:
RT @davidwees: Much HS math CAN be relevant for typical person, if it was taught through real life problems no textbook problems. #mathchat
12:07 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat To show cross-curricular connections, I've had Ss glue a magazine pic on front of math notebook & make web2show the math
12:08 am
ColinTGraham:
@icecolbeveridge In other words, basic maths facts - drill/kill, mad minutes etc. Most spring from inadequate primary ed, I think. #mathchat
12:08 am
padgets:
@MmeVeilleux #mathchat great idea! I could use that with our science stuff!
12:08 am
icecolbeveridge:
#mathchat Would anyone be interested in working with me to set up maths adventures where you solve real problems to reach next stage?
12:08 am
Year7Numeracy:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat Maths and Science taught separately. Both combined on blog though. Some cross curricular links made
12:08 am
davidwees:
@ColinTGraham Yes! If we wanted to make the biggest difference, we would all become elementary school math specialists. #mathchat #elemchat
12:09 am
ccampbel14:
Think we need 2 model that math is fun & it's enjoyable 2 solve difficult problems. Perseverance is key & difficult 4 digital kids #mathchat
12:09 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat I think nothing can substitute for a teacher's passion 4 math (know-how only good if passion is there too) We are also salespeople
12:09 am
ColinTGraham:
@MmeVeilleux A general issue of "I was terrible at maths" or "I am good at maths" is that mathematically ability is seen as imptnt #mathchat
12:09 am
PriGamesArena:
Some great ideas getting thrown out at #mathchat 2nite
12:09 am
ColinTGraham:
@icecolbeveridge Yes! #mathchat
12:09 am
ccampbel14:
@davidwees That hasn't been done in Alberta. We are, however, doing a lot of work with Understanding by Design(UBD) to create this #mathchat
12:09 am
davidwees:
@icecolbeveridge That sounds kind of fun. Would that use technology (like videos)? How would you envision that. #mathchat
12:10 am
icecolbeveridge:
#mathchat @ColinTGraham Also inadequate reinforcement. Very little backtracking from what I've seen of students - it's done and forgotten
12:10 am
padgets:
@icecolbeveridge #mathchat I would love to but I do not have programming backround :-)
12:11 am
icecolbeveridge:
.@davidwees #mathchat It certainly could, depending on what skills/tools we have :o) My idea at the mo is a pirate story
12:11 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat @ccampbel14 I'd say I'm almost a religious convert (lol) to Understand by Design... it DOES help make bridges to real life!!!
12:11 am
Year7Numeracy:
@ccampbel14 Agree. Encouraging mistakes and ensuring students feel comfortable making them is crucial. More mistake, more learning #mathchat
12:11 am
ccampbel14:
I do think technology can increase engagement for our digital learners. Dynamic software, interactive web sites really help today #mathchat
12:11 am
ColinTGraham:
For some the early years rote memorization can work, but for others they need more time and/or more practice. Curriculum problem? #mathchat
12:12 am
MmeVeilleux:
@davidwees #mathchat Don't want to be bossy but you MUST see the Dan Meyer ted talk re: math. Funny in a subtle way & so true!!!
12:12 am
ColinTGraham:
Crowd-sourced mathematics, where students, parents and teachers all work to produce enjoyable materials/activities... #mathchat
12:12 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham In western Canada we have reduce the number of basic facts kids need 2 know in the hopes of learning 4 understanding #mathchat
12:13 am
MmeVeilleux:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat Sorry to disagree but I think that there is little place for rote memorization even early on. Understanding = #1
12:13 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham Kids still learn the facts but spread out over grades 3 to 6, for example with multiplication #mathchat
12:13 am
MmeVeilleux:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat Rather than memorizing, young children shd become pattern seekers: skip counting & more.
12:14 am
ColinTGraham:
@MmeVeilleux ;-) Me playing Devil's Advocate again, Ingrid! #mathchat
12:14 am
MmeVeilleux:
RT @ccampbel14: @ColinTGraham In western Canada we have reduce the number of basic facts kids need 2 know in the hopes of learning 4 understanding #mathchat
12:14 am
ColinTGraham:
http://mathfuture.wikispaces.com/WCYDWT+-+A+New+Vision+for+Math+Curriculum+Development Dan Meyer also discussing WCYDWT #mathchat
12:14 am
padgets:
#mathchat with the common core here in the US, it is so much to cover in 4 years of hs
12:14 am
KiranArora:
I find that relating maths to something familiar with students helps. eg fractions with sports with 1/4 time, 1/2 time etc #mathchat
12:14 am
MmeVeilleux:
@ccampbel14 #mathchat Isn't this shift fantastic???
12:14 am
icecolbeveridge:
#mathchat The Meyer video @MmeVeilleux mentioned is at http://bit.ly/aSjjZb
12:14 am
davidwees:
@MmeVeilleux @ColinTGraham I agree that rote learning is pretty pointless. There must be a better way to introduce "basic" facts. #mathchat
12:14 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham We also have separated addition & subtraction of fractions and fraction multiplication & division. Deepen understand #mathchat
12:15 am
davidwees:
RT @icecolbeveridge: #mathchat The Meyer video @MmeVeilleux mentioned is at http://bit.ly/aSjjZb
12:15 am
ColinTGraham:
Personally, I think everyone needs to construct their own mathematics - linking ideas, patterning, abstracting, questioning #mathchat
12:15 am
MmeVeilleux:
@icecolbeveridge #mathchat Is Bevridge really your last name? (Sorry that has nothing to do w/math!)
12:15 am
icecolbeveridge:
RT @KiranArora: I find that relating maths to something familiar with students helps. eg fractions with sports with 1/4 time, 1/2 time etc #mathchat
12:16 am
icecolbeveridge:
#mathchat Musicians relate to fractional notes as well.
12:16 am
icecolbeveridge:
RT @ColinTGraham: Personally, I think everyone needs to construct their own mathematics - linking ideas, patterning, abstracting, questioning #mathchat
12:16 am
ColinTGraham:
@ccampbel14 I think multiplication and division of fractions also need to be separated. Multiplying is much more common/intuitive #mathchat
12:16 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat What I love is having a number line 0-100 and showing multiples w/coloured dot stickers. Helps skip count&good4rich convo
12:17 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat The electric slide is an obvious dance to use w/rotations...
12:17 am
padgets:
#mathchat I think it would be great to see elem teachers outside counting flowers than looking at them on paper
12:17 am
ccampbel14:
@MmeVeilleux Yes, I'm thrilled. We need 2 look across division 2, e.g. Ss need 2 have their basic mult facts. Less stressful. #mathchat
12:18 am
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat I have an Australian pirate called Bruce who lives on the Great Dividing Range. He helps with fractions.
12:18 am
ColinTGraham:
OK, before we get too far off-topic... #mathchat
12:18 am
ColinTGraham:
What support do teaching colleagues need? Should we be teaching the mathematics for their subjects? #mathchat
12:18 am
MmeVeilleux:
@icecolbeveridge #mathchat Being neither an expert in math nor music (but I love both) I can see the connections. Time signatures, notes,etc
12:20 am
icecolbeveridge:
@MmeVeilleux #mathchat Exactly that - and if all else fails, you can use money (this is half a dollar, etc)
12:20 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham I think all teachers can teach math, just as I believe that all students can do math. Need time 2 collaborate &learn #mathchat
12:21 am
ColinTGraham:
@ccampbel14 WE know that, so do we need to focus on building self-esteem/belief in maths lessons? #mathchat
12:21 am
padgets:
@ccampbel14 #mathchat like this!
12:21 am
ccampbel14:
I know that I didn't know the BIG IDEAS of math & where it leads. Think this is helpful 4 teachers. Helps me know what 2 emphasize #mathchat
12:22 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham Yes, we need to build our colleagues confidence in math. Difficult to find time in a day to do this, though. #mathchat
12:23 am
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat non-math teachers need to collaborate more with our math folks
12:23 am
ColinTGraham:
Should we be teaching parents how to teach mathematics to pre-school or early-year children? #mathchat
12:23 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham Just as with students, we can take baby steps & encourage others to try 1 new thing with our support. #mathchat
12:24 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham Don't think we need 2 teach them how 2 teach math but how 2 make connections when they cook, count, work with $,etc. #mathchat
12:25 am
ColinTGraham:
What effect does class or family background and/or ethnicity have on engagement with studying mathematics at higher levels? #mathchat
12:25 am
MmeVeilleux:
@icecolbeveridge What happens on the Great Dividing Range? I love using stories/puppets etc in math #mathchat
12:26 am
padgets:
#mathchat do we have big ideas by grade level, age , math subject like algebra and geometry ....?
12:26 am
ccampbel14:
I am not sure how family background/ethnicity influences math ed at higher levels. Perhaps some cultures value math more. #mathchat
12:26 am
MmeVeilleux:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat Yes! I would not under-estimate the power of cooking/baking/measuring
12:27 am
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat our ELL kids are often put into lower math classes because of language rather than ability
12:27 am
ColinTGraham:
@ccampbel14 What if they don't cook...? What if methods they learned are based on memorization...? #mathchat
12:27 am
ccampbel14:
@padgets There ar big ideas in the NCTM documents which are quite often used as references 4 authors like van de Walle, Small,etc. #mathchat
12:28 am
icecolbeveridge:
@MmeVeilleux Bruce - being Australian - likes things to be upside-down (the right way up to him)....http://bit.ly/cDHYqu #mathchat
12:28 am
padgets:
@ccampbel14 #mathchat gotcha!
12:28 am
ColinTGraham:
NCTM = American professional organization for teachers of maths... ;-) #mathchat
12:28 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham Not sure. I wouldn't be encouraging memorization, I guess. #mathchat
12:28 am
ColinTGraham:
OK last two minutes or so... any final thoughts about making maths more engaging? #mathchat
12:29 am
MmeVeilleux:
RT @ColinTGraham: NCTM = American professional organization for teachers of maths... ;-) #mathchat
12:29 am
Gelada:
@icecolbeveridge #mathchat Important that the stories get buy in from the students. Otherwise they can make problem worse. (or seem silly)
12:30 am
padgets:
#mathchat more PBITS less textbooks!
12:30 am
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat Can I parade my book quickly? http://littlealgebrabook.com/
12:30 am
ccampbel14:
I think the teacher has a huge impact on engaging mathematics. If we show our passion 4 math it's contagious! (so is the opposite) #mathchat
12:30 am
icecolbeveridge:
@Gelada I agree, pirates need their treasure! #mathchat
12:31 am
ColinTGraham:
@icecolbeveridge Shameless marketing! Typical Scot... ;-) #mathchat
12:31 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat No matter what the grade, real life connections are key. Also encourage awe and wonder of the beauty of patterns & math helps.
12:31 am
icecolbeveridge:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat You say it like it's a bad thing! ;o)
12:31 am
MmeVeilleux:
@icecolbeveridge Love your pirate story! #mathchat
12:32 am
ColinTGraham:
September 19th is international speak like a pirate day, by the way! #mathchat
12:32 am
ccampbel14:
We also need to show how math is everywhere & connect as much as possible to their lives. #mathchat
12:32 am
padgets:
#mathchat well, thanks for letting me lurk and learn, great talking to all of you, great stuff PLN!
12:32 am
icecolbeveridge:
#mathchat If any teachers want to preview the PDF, drop me a DM and I'll send you it.
12:32 am
ccampbel14:
I also like to show that math is beautiful and amazing. Usually students are shocked at this but it catches on! #mathchat
12:32 am
ColinTGraham:
OK thanks everyone that's official time's up! #mathchat
12:32 am
MmeVeilleux:
RT @ColinTGraham: September 19th is international speak like a pirate day, by the way! #mathchat
12:32 am
ColinTGraham:
Monday's #mathchat will be a little different, we are going to try a chatroom rather than Twitter, so the 140-char limit is less restrictive
12:33 am
ccampbel14:
Thanks, tweeps, for another mathchat. Have missed the last 2 weeks and I am happy to be back. #mathchat
12:33 am
ColinTGraham:
@icecolbeveridge Not at all, being Scots myself... ;-P #mathchat
12:33 am
MmeVeilleux:
#mathchat I wish I were a mathematician! I am definitely an appreciator of math/maths!!! #mathchatis inspirational
12:33 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham How will you set up a chatroom? #mathchat
12:34 am
ColinTGraham:
@ccampbel14 It's already in hand! The idea is to have an open room at pre-set times to follow-up on Thursday - same topic 1 week #mathchat
12:35 am
KiranArora:
I think if you can make a rhyme to help with certain math problems/topics it could help. I don't have any though :s #mathchat
12:36 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham Missed this comment! How would you separate mult & div? In school years? Or at different times of the same year? #mathchat
12:36 am
ColinTGraham:
"I am definitely an appreciator of math/maths! " Vous ĂȘtes une mathĂ©maticienne! @MmeVeilleux#mathchat
12:36 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham Not sure I understand an 'open room'. is it a particular software or web site to do this? #mathchat
12:37 am
MmeVeilleux:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat You are officially in my good books. Thank you!!
12:38 am
ColinTGraham:
@ccampbel14 Open room = available 24/7 but specific times will be moderated/for discussion of weekly topic #mathchat
12:38 am
icecolbeveridge:
@KiranArora #mathchat I have my students integrate trig functions with "I can see my car making smoke" ...
12:38 am
icecolbeveridge:
@KiranArora #mathchat and diff with "Drink some coffee, make some more coffee."
12:39 am
ColinTGraham:
Tonight's chat archive will be online in about 30 minutes. Goodnight all, thanks for participating! #mathchat
12:40 am
ColinTGraham:
Discussion topic for #mathchat? Add it to the list! http://bit.ly/bNRbU4 #ukedchat #edchat #scichat#elemchat #gtchat #ntchat #nqtchat
12:41 am
padgets:
#mathchat night everybody!