Topic (follow-up to Thursday DATE): What type of tech should we use in lessons, and when?
As it happened on Monday, 23rd August 2010 19:30 - 21:00 GMT

7:30 pm
ColinTGraham:
Hello everyone, welcome to the repeat of last Thursday's #mathchat. If it's your 1st time, Welcome, just join in when you're ready!
7:30 pm
ColinTGraham:
Tonight's topic: "What type of tech should we use in lessons, and when?" #mathchat
7:31 pm
ColinTGraham:
For newcomers, just focus on one or two tweets and interact with them. Don't forget the hashtag: #mathchat
7:32 pm
ColinTGraham:
It will probably be helpful if we start by defining what we mean by 'tech'... and maths-tech vs non-maths-tech #mathchat
7:33 pm
tj007:
I define tech in the c/room as something that I didn't have access to as a pupil (I think...) - but then again, a SciCalc is tech #mathchat
7:33 pm
pavkahu:
RT @mathchat: Tonight's topic: "What type of tech should we use in lessons, and when?" #mathchat5 minutes! #ukedchat #edtech #gtchat #scichat #elemchat
7:33 pm
ghewgley:
What is the best low-cost equation editor? I'd like to know for our math classes to use on our IWB's. #mathchat
7:34 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat A mobile phone is tech!
7:35 pm
ColinTGraham:
@ghewgley You should be able to find free online versions. Even Microsoft has one! #mathchat
7:36 pm
ColinTGraham:
@tj007 So a slide-rule, protractor, compasses, whiteboard, pen, paper,.... not tech? #mathchat
7:37 pm
ghewgley:
@ColinTGraham Any suggestions? What do you use in your classroom? #mathchat
7:37 pm
pavkahu:
A computer for every pupil is tech. #mathchat
7:37 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat I use the equation editor in MSWord
7:38 pm
ColinTGraham:
@ghewgley I have used http://mathcast.sourceforge.net/home.html in the past, as well as built-in MSWord "things" #mathchat
7:38 pm
ghewgley:
I consider tech to be something computerish. #mathchat
7:39 pm
ColinTGraham:
RT @tj007: @ColinTGraham I don't think of them as tech as they are tools that we take for granted #mathchat
7:40 pm
ColinTGraham:
RT @Caro_lann: @ColinTGraham @tj007 I agree that rulers, protractors etc are tech, but most people seem to define tech as ICT #mathchat
7:41 pm
tj007:
@ghewgley from microsoft http://bit.ly/c8p7p2 - have also trialled the maths part of the smart nbk s/w which was quite impressive #mathchat
7:41 pm
ColinTGraham:
So that would include calculators but not scissors, say... RT @ghewgley: I consider tech to be something computerish. #mathchat
7:41 pm
pavkahu:
Do you use mobiles in math? In elem classes? I cannot imagine... #mathchat
7:43 pm
ghewgley:
@tj007 A lot of our computers at school are still running Office 2000 believe it or not. Thanks everyone for suggestions! #mathchat
7:43 pm
pavkahu:
RT @tj007: "Have also trialled the maths part of the smart nbk s/w which was quite impressive" PavkaHu: Without iwb? #mathchat
7:43 pm
tj007:
@ColinTGraham They are technical tools that are essential, but I don't think of them as technology that is optional #mathchat
7:43 pm
ColinTGraham:
@pavkahu Math + iPods - home http://bit.ly/aAIa7H may surprise you! #mathchat
7:45 pm
Caro_lann:
@pavkahu I teach adults, and mobiles have calculators in them! They can be used in other ways too. #mathchat
7:45 pm
tj007:
I agree that when tech is mentioned, my first thoughts are towards what new tech there is as opposed to the 'old' tech. #mathchat
7:45 pm
ghewgley:
@tj007 The Smart Notebook Math is cool, but our school doesn't have the licenses. #mathchat
7:45 pm
ColinTGraham:
@tj007 So what do you think makes technology optional or 'old', Tim? eg slide-rule... #mathchat
7:46 pm
pavkahu:
Are you using calculators during tests? #mathchat
7:46 pm
ColinTGraham:
@pavkahu It is possible to review IWB applications on line, with SMART boards anyway #mathchat
7:47 pm
ghewgley:
I guess I consider tech to be more autonomous. It will actually perform a process without constant physical feedback, #mathchat
7:48 pm
ColinTGraham:
@pavkahu Calculator training and use is/was required in UK. Graphical calculators are different though. #mathchat
7:48 pm
Caro_lann:
@pavkahu #mathchat Calculators allowed in some exams- depends on level and exam board.
7:49 pm
pavkahu:
RT @ColinTGraham: Math + iPods - home http://bit.ly/aAIa7H #mathchat PavkaHu: Pupils have it? Every children in class?
7:50 pm
ColinTGraham:
@pavkahu I think it would depend on the school, but some schools have bought class sets... iPads too #mathchat
7:51 pm
Cassyt:
Who decides which graphing calculator? How can they cost the same now as when I used one in the 80's? #mathchat
7:51 pm
tj007:
@ColinTGraham Old / opt tech isn't something I've really thought about. I have my fathers old slide rule, but have never used 1 b4 #mathchat
7:52 pm
ColinTGraham:
@tj007 'Old' technology can be very useful for concept teaching... why did it fall out of use, get improved... digital protractor? #mathchat
7:53 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Cassyt For examinations, usually the examining board will have list of approved devices. Programmable calcs can be a problem too #mathchat
7:55 pm
padgets:
RT @mathchat: Tonight's topic: "What type of tech should we use in lessons, and when?" #mathchat5 minutes! #ukedchat #edtech #gtchat #scichat #elemchat
7:55 pm
mathchat:
Online for SMART board applcations - you don't need an IWB http://bit.ly/WvTxn #mathchat
7:55 pm
cybraryman1:
Helpful Math Online Tools (left column): http://bit.ly/1PAeOz #mathchat
7:56 pm
pavkahu:
@ColinTGraham And teachers? Must they buy your own iPod, or...? #mathchat
7:57 pm
ColinTGraham:
@pavkahu It will depend on the schools, but I think the teacher should have one so they know how to use it. #mathchat
7:57 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat I think clinometers and trundle wheels count as tech - great for outdoor maths, but maybe there's an app to replace them?
7:58 pm
ColinTGraham:
So what type of technology do you feel is now almost essential for your lessons? #mathchat
7:58 pm
tj007:
To help with instruction for the calc I find this helps (along with a visualiser) #mathchathttp://tweetphoto.com/40949587
7:59 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Caro_lann Maybe, since there are digital step-counters for runners/walkers etc. I like using the older tools though! #mathchat
7:59 pm
ghewgley:
@pavkahu Most schools provide them through their budget/grants/etc. I picked up a couple myself (tablets) #mathchat
7:59 pm
pavkahu:
@ColinTGraham I´d like it :-( #mathchat
8:01 pm
ColinTGraham:
@pavkahu Maybe the Czech government has different ideas about how you should spend money though! #mathchat
8:01 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat I think I could manage without any if I had to - would just teach differently. Might insist on a ball of string.....
8:01 pm
ghewgley:
@ColinTGraham I think the tech my students most need can be provided via PC's and apps/internet. #mathchat
8:02 pm
ColinTGraham:
@ghewgley A great deal of the 'textbook' can also be found online too, if there's enough PCs/internet access in each classroom... #mathchat
8:03 pm
pavkahu:
@ColinTGraham Almost essential for my lessons is iwb. I use it every day. I will prepare my own lessons or I use something online. #mathchat
8:04 pm
ColinTGraham:
So let's change direction a little: What technology would you feel 'lost' without if it was removed tomorrow? #mathchat
8:04 pm
ColinTGraham:
#mathchat
8:04 pm
ghewgley:
Yep. PC's let them read texts, listen to audio, watch video, create projects - very powerful. #mathchat
8:04 pm
pavkahu:
@ColinTGraham Changes occur very slowly. #mathchat
8:05 pm
pavkahu:
RT @ghewgley: I think the tech my students most need can be provided via PC's and apps/internet. #mathchat PavkaHu: I agree.
8:06 pm
tj007:
Clinometers, trundle wheels, sliderules - I feel I have missed out on something and am denying my pupils some experiences :-/ #mathchat
8:06 pm
ghewgley:
@pavkahu Or by the newer powerful tablets - even the ipads. #mathchat
8:08 pm
CoachCrawford:
RT @cybraryman1: Helpful Math Online Tools (left column): http://bit.ly/1PAeOz #mathchat
8:08 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat I'd most hate to lose the Internet - such a great source of everything. And a data projector.
8:08 pm
ghewgley:
@tj007 Nothing wrong with using/making those manipulatives. It's new to the students and actually very interesting. #mathchat
8:08 pm
mathchat:
SMART board Mathematics applications: http://bit.ly/cWsFQp and http://bit.ly/YKZm #mathchat
8:09 pm
pavkahu:
I am forming a collection of online applications for the IWB. #mathchat
8:09 pm
tj007:
Having experienced teaching without a projector (and didn't miss it/managed without) I would miss a large whiteboard/blackboard #mathchat
8:10 pm
ColinTGraham:
@pavkahu Great, share them when you are happy with them! #mathchat
8:10 pm
seprincipal:
RT @cybraryman1: Helpful Math Online Tools (left column): http://bit.ly/1PAeOz #mathchat
8:12 pm
Caro_lann:
@tj007 ask a surveyor to bring in a theodolite! And you can make your own clinometershttp://j.mp/b1lECl #mathchat
8:13 pm
ColinTGraham:
@tj007 Slide rules are great for logarithms and the relationship between add/multiply and subtract/divide #mathchat
8:13 pm
tj007:
@Caro_lann I did train to use / did use a theodolite a number of years ago (and last week downloaded a free one for my phone!) #mathchat
8:14 pm
pavkahu:
@ColinTGraham I´m sorry, I forgot a link: http://goo.gl/HlcN #mathchat
8:14 pm
mathchat:
Try the International Slide Rule Museum for starters... http://bit.ly/cqxp8O #mathchat
8:15 pm
tj007:
@ColinTGraham I remember coming across a website that had some for download (TROL I think) - but wasn't sure what to do with them! #mathchat
8:15 pm
pavkahu:
2nd grade- online apps for iwb: http://goo.gl/PBsf #mathchat
8:15 pm
ColinTGraham:
@pavkahu That's ok, don't worry! All of the links will be listed separately in the archive. #mathchat
8:17 pm
Mathsframe:
I would love to hear ideas for new interactive resources to add to my existing library http://ow.ly/2tCkB#mathchat
8:17 pm
ColinTGraham:
@tj007 The page at the bottom of the ISRM list describes the mathematics which can be done on slide rules. Some is tricky! #mathchat
8:18 pm
tj007:
RT @mathchat: Try the International Slide Rule Museum for starters... http://bit.ly/cqxp8O #mathchat<-- great link thanks
8:20 pm
ruth4916:
When scheduling a tweet I'm getting bad password error. How do I fix this? #mathchat #edtech#edchat
8:21 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Mathsframe Maybe some in 004 Manipulatives http://bit.ly/dv8k8y or Resources pages on #mathchat Wiki: http://bit.ly/codZeQ
8:22 pm
ghewgley:
@Mathsframe I would check out #smartboard occasionally as there are some great links posted there sometimes. #mathchat
8:22 pm
tj007:
I found the interactive compass in SmartNotebook very useful last year, but pupils still needed help with how to hold properly #mathchat
8:23 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Mathsframe Also check out #IWB for interactive whiteboard discussions too. #mathchat
8:26 pm
ColinTGraham:
What technology, hardware or software, do you plan to use during the next term or the next year? #mathchat
8:27 pm
ColinTGraham:
What technology, hardware or software, would you like to use but cannot? #mathchat
8:29 pm
tj007:
For software, I would like to make more use of Autograph and Geogebra. For Hardware, pupils to take more photos and videos. #mathchat
8:29 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat Will carry on using smartboard etc but plan to try out some phone apps
8:30 pm
ColinTGraham:
@tj007 How would you use the photos and videos? #mathchat
8:30 pm
tj007:
I also plan on adding QRcodes to various pupil created displays, so that pupils/parents/tchers can explore more of the work online #mathchat
8:30 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Caro_lann What criteria will you use to select the apps, or will that be down to your students? #mathchat
8:31 pm
TheConsultantsE:
Meteor Multiplication & more fun ways 4 #maths http://bit.ly/cMEpbg #edtech via @evab2001#mathchat
8:31 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat Would like to try voting technology but don't have kit. Maybe investigate mousemischief
8:32 pm
pavkahu:
@ColinTGraham What tech would you like to use but cannot? Mobile. Pupils have it, but I do not know how to use it. #mathchat
8:32 pm
ColinTGraham:
@tj007 I just set up my QR code ID today for my blog! QRs were (are) all the rage in Japan! #mathchat
8:32 pm
tj007:
@ColinTGraham I'm thinking of: Photos to promote discussion and to show varied work. Video for podcasts/reviews of work completed. #mathchat
8:33 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Caro_lann Maybe a TwitPoll could be a starting point, unless you want something more like 'political' voting machines #mathchat
8:34 pm
Caro_lann:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat probably ask students who have smartphones to investigate and share. I want maths practice rather than games
8:35 pm
tj007:
@Caro_lann When I looked at mousemischief I didn't like the way that pupils could just follow everyone else with their answer! #mathchat
8:35 pm
pavkahu:
@Caro_lann Would like to try voting technology but don't have kit? By mobiles, I´d like. Everything else has little use. #mathchat
8:35 pm
ColinTGraham:
@pavkahu Do all of your students have mobiles? What age are you teaching? #mathchat
8:36 pm
ColinTGraham:
Mashable item about creating QR codes: http://bit.ly/9Pd0xY #mathchat
8:37 pm
tj007:
I like to use the #qwizdom remotes, but find the software lacking and a little outdated. They are still useful if used sparingly #mathchat
8:39 pm
ColinTGraham:
In the last 20 minutes or so, let's talk about situations when we think technology should NOT be used and why... #mathchat
8:39 pm
Caro_lann:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat I want buttons they can physically press! But will also use twitpoll or something similar.
8:39 pm
QRmedia:
RT @ColinTGraham: @tj007 I just set up my QR code ID today for my blog! QRs were (are) all the rage in Japan! #mathchat
8:41 pm
pavkahu:
@ColinTGraham Not yet - the children are 7 years old. Within a year, each student will have his own mobile. I suppose. #mathchat
8:42 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Caro_lann Ah yes, you're talking BIG money if you want some of the audience response systems used in some conferences! #mathchat
8:42 pm
tj007:
when technology should not be used <-- trying to think, finding it tough! #mathchat
8:43 pm
ColinTGraham:
@pavkahu Maybe you can find some simple applications that can be used on the phones (if they are free!) #mathchat
8:44 pm
cybraryman1:
@ColinTGraham I laugh when the computers are down & the grocery store clerk cannot figure total my order or give change #mathchat
8:44 pm
sfrench21:
RT @mathchat: SMART board Mathematics applications: http://bit.ly/cWsFQp and http://bit.ly/YKZm#mathchat >> Looks gd - thanks
8:44 pm
ColinTGraham:
Examples of not using technology: mental arithmetic, shopping, giving change... #mathchat
8:45 pm
ColinTGraham:
@cybraryman1 You just snuck that one in as I was typing Jerry! #mathchat
8:46 pm
tj007:
Going back to tech constraints - would love 2 have a huge #IWB instead of the small one I currently have (although I am grateful!) #mathchat
8:46 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat Hard to say when tech shouldn't be used. Maybe when practicing exam technique?
8:47 pm
ColinTGraham:
Another example: with or without a calculator - efficiency versus easy of use #mathchat
8:47 pm
pavkahu:
I think: Unable to replace moving with pupil´s hands in elem. classes. #mathchat
8:49 pm
Caro_lann:
@Caro_lann: @ColinTGraham Wouldn't say shouldn't be used for shopping etc. Would say might be better not to. #mathchat
8:49 pm
ColinTGraham:
@pavkahu That is maybe: when does a manipulative become technology? #mathchat
8:50 pm
cybraryman1:
Some Mental Math sites (bottom)Number Tricks page: http://bit.ly/cb4Rvo #mathchat
8:50 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Caro_lann The shopping/change situation was more related to the mental arithmetic. Adults with weak skills prob should use calcs #mathchat
8:51 pm
Caro_lann:
@pavkahu #mathchat Training to use ruler, protractor etc?
8:51 pm
marcelamomberg:
RT @cybraryman1: Some Mental Math sites (bottom)Number Tricks page: http://bit.ly/cb4Rvo#mathchat
8:51 pm
pavkahu:
Try competition: students form a pair, the first p. provides the calculator, the second p. without it. Who will be the winner? #mathchat
8:51 pm
ColinTGraham:
@cybraryman1 Some of us prefer to call them Mental Shortcuts or Mentally Efficient Maths, rather than tricks! #mathchat
8:53 pm
tj007:
I do dispair when yr12 get out a calc to check something like 6 * 7 (just to make sure!) #mathchat
8:54 pm
ColinTGraham:
@tj007 Checking is good, but get them to do calculator work and then check the answer manually too (reverse the situation) ! #mathchat
8:54 pm
pavkahu:
@ColinTGraham When the student understands the principle, we can use technology, I think. #mathchat
8:55 pm
tj007:
QuickQ - are slide rules not permitted in exams? #mathchat
8:56 pm
ColinTGraham:
@tj007 Not sure, I think probably they are but their use is no longer required, whereas we actually had sliderule ?s in our exams! #mathchat
8:56 pm
marketspi:
?@Caro_lann: #mathchat Would like to try voting technology but don't have kit. Maybe investigate mousemischief?. Agree!
8:57 pm
ColinTGraham:
OK about 5 minutes left! If you could only use one application and one piece of hardware what would they be...? #mathchat
8:57 pm
pavkahu:
@Caro_lann I use this competition as a demonstration: without using calculators is sounting sometimes faster. #mathchat
8:59 pm
tj007:
RT @marketspi: ?@Caro_lann: #mathchat Maybe investigate mousemischief?. Agree! <-- is it just me that thinks it looks poor?!!
9:01 pm
pavkahu:
RT @tj007: I do dispair when yr12 get out a calc to check something like 6 * 7 PavkaHu: But it is often :-( #mathchat
9:01 pm
ColinTGraham:
Blog entry: More on Microsoft?s Mouse Mischief http://bit.ly/9Oifsc #mathchat
9:01 pm
tj007:
An IWB with associated software/hardware would be essential I think if that was the only tech I could use. #mathchat
9:02 pm
tj007:
Really going to basics, it would be a computer with internet connection and a web browser. #mathchat
9:02 pm
Caro_lann:
@tj007 #mathchat Havent looked at mousemischief yet - might agree with you when I have!
9:04 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat Would want data projector and pc with Internet as minimum. Then phones.
9:04 pm
pavkahu:
RT @tj007: Really going to basics, it would be a computer with internet connection and a web browser. #mathchat PavkaHu: Totally agree.
9:05 pm
ColinTGraham:
My choice: IWB or Huge flatscreen TV with internet connection via PC. Application maybe GeoGebra or Mathematica or... #mathchat
9:06 pm
ColinTGraham:
Looks like we're out of time again! Archive will be online in about 30 minutes or so. Thanks to everyone for your participation! #mathchat
9:07 pm
ColinTGraham:
The next discussion, on Thursday will be "What maths should be in a curriculum that every adult should know or be able to do? " #mathchat
9:07 pm
tj007:
Thanks all for #mathchat tonight. I've learnt not to undervalue the tech tools we take for granted and to explore others too.
9:07 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat Good chat tonight! See you all next time.
9:09 pm
ColinTGraham:
Remember to follow @mathchat for updates. Also for more people to follow, use www.blastfollow.com and the hashtag #mathchat