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005 Assessment
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008 Reflective Learners
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010 Class Time Use
011 Why I hate maths
012 Terminology
013 'Mathphobia'
014 The Nature of Maths
015 Show and Tell
016 Vertical Integration
017 Product to Process
018 Investigation Length
019 Preparation for Work
020 Success in Mathematics
021 Groupwork
022 Effective lessons
023 Impact of ICT
024 Mathematics Websites
028 Why under 16?
2010.07.15 Differentiation
2010.07.19 Differentiation (2)
2010.07.22 'Real' maths
2010.07.26 'Real' maths (2)
2010.07.29 Fractions
2010.08.02 Fractions (2)
2010.08.05 Manipulatives
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2010.08.12 Assessment
2010.08.16 Assessment (2)
2010.08.19 What tech?
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2010.08.26 Adult maths
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2010.09.23 Why I hate maths
2010.09.27 Why I hate math 2
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2010.10.07 'Mathphobia'
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2010.10.14 Nature of Maths
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2010.10.28 Vertical Integration
2010.11.01 Vertical Integratn 2
2010.11.04 Product to Process
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2010.11.11 Investigation length
2010.11.15 Investigation leng 2
2010.11.18 Prepn for work
2010.11.22 Prepn for work 2
2010.11.25 Success in Maths
2010.12.03 Groupwork
2010.12.06 Groupwork 2
2010.12.10 Effective lessons
2010.12.13 Effective Lesson 2
2010.12.17 Impact of ICT
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2010.12.24 Maths Websites
2011.01.03 Maths Website 2
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2011.02.04 Which is more fun?
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2011.02.25 Misconceptions
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2011.03.04 Good Reads
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What is the problem with fractions? How can we fix it?
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Thursday, 29th July 23:30  00:30 GMT
11:31 pm
vare0015
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#
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starting now. discussing fractions. w00t. #
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11:31 pm
ColinTGraham
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Hello everyone. Welcome to #
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topic number 3. What is the problem with fractions and how do we fix it?
11:33 pm
tcash
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For the next hour, my tweets will be dedicated to #
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topic: What is the problem with fractions and how do we fix it?
11:33 pm
mthman
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We seem to teach fractions at the most basic level (recognition). Does the fractionphobia extend to teachers too? #
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11:34 pm
thnorfar
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teachers definitely lack an understanding of fractions #
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11:35 pm
vare0015
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#
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before fractions, be sure to reinforce skills such as multiplication (skip counting). this will help with lcm, gcf
11:35 pm
ColinTGraham
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@
thnorfar
Welcome! and welcome to all our 'viewers' too! #
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11:36 pm
thnorfar
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I think a big problem is understanding that it is part to a whole #
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11:36 pm
tcash
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Agreed! RT @
thnorfar
: I think a big problem is understanding that it is part to a whole #
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11:37 pm
thnorfar
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Once we have an understanding we have to make it practical #
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11:37 pm
tcash
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@
thnorfar
I agree that part to whole is a difficult concept. I teach 5th grade, students just starting out with fractions formally #
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11:37 pm
ColinTGraham
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OK, back to my 1st question  what are we talking about when we say "fraction"? #
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11:38 pm
tcash
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I think that understanding needs to start with multiple versions of contrete representations #
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11:38 pm
thnorfar
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@
tcash
I think that is the grade where students start to love or hate math. Thanks for helping them to love #
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11:39 pm
tcash
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@
thnorfar
We use a program called Bridges (Math Learning Center) I've never had so many kids so engaged and positive about math! #
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11:39 pm
penny_222
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I believe part of the perceived fear w/ fraction is not understanding part of whole #
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11:39 pm
thnorfar
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@
ColinTGraham
When I say fraction, I am talking about a numerical representation of division or part to a whole #
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11:40 pm
thnorfar
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@
tcash
I am going to have to check Bridges out. Do they have a website? #
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11:40 pm
ColinTGraham
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@
vare0015
Do you think reinforcing multiplication is more or less impt than division ? #
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11:40 pm
tcash
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Well put! RT @
thnorfar
: When I say fraction, I am talking about a numerical representation of division or part to a whole #
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11:41 pm
penny_222
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Conceptualizing & seeing fractions r hard for kids especially if fractions r only taught in circles (pizza & bday cakes) #
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11:41 pm
tcash
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@
thnorfar
In Elementary, it's Bridges, in MiddleSchool, it's Visual mathsuch a great resource!
http://www.mathlearningcenter.org/
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11:42 pm
ColinTGraham
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When I say fraction as a 'person' I am thinking some whole number over another whole number, probably less than one.... #
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11:42 pm
tcash
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@
penny_222
So true  need multiple, concrete representations  fraction strips, egg cartons, etc. #
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11:42 pm
thnorfar
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@
tcash
thanks for the link #
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11:42 pm
ColinTGraham
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When I say fraction as a Maths teacher, I am thinking vulgar, proper, improper, decimal, ratio.... #
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11:43 pm
mthman
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@
tcash
@
thnorfar
To me that is the main problem...they only think in terms of a "whole". Mixed fractions then creates turmoil... #
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11:43 pm
Caro_lann
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#
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Conflict between fraction as "part of a thing","part of a quantity" and "part of a number"  last is what bothers my students most
11:43 pm
vare0015
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useful videos about teaching students how to add, subtract, multiply and divide fractions
http://ow.ly/2iAo2
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11:44 pm
penny_222
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"@
colleenk
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Language is important. Saying 1 over 3 instead of onethird suggests whole numbers rather than part to whole." Agree
11:44 pm
ColinTGraham
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Links, videos, resources etc will be listed separately on the archive, don't worry if you miss them now! #
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11:44 pm
tcash
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@
mthman
Egg cartons are good for that  18/12  we have 18 eggs, but each carton only fits 12, so we need another egg carton (eg) #
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11:44 pm
tcash
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RT @
vare0015
: useful videos about teaching students how to add, subtract, multiply and divide fractions
http://ow.ly/2iAo2
#
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11:45 pm
librario868
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Problem w/fractions for many of my students was lack of basic skills; found ratio to be a better term; different visualization. #
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11:45 pm
ColinTGraham
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RT @
penny_222
: I believe part of the perceived fear w/ fraction is not understanding part of whole #
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11:46 pm
vare0015
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CoolMath4Kids has a nice section about fractions for your students
http://ow.ly/2iAqu
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11:46 pm
ccampbel14
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I think we need 2 remember 2 model fractions many ways: area model, line model, parts of sets, parttopart/whole, ratios, etc. #
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11:46 pm
librario868
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We need to use teacher and studentcreated videos more. #
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11:46 pm
tcash
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@
librario868
Interesting! Ratio easier to conceptualize? #
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11:47 pm
ColinTGraham
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@
librario868
One potential confusion with ratios is that 3:4 represents 3/7 to 4/7... and not 1/4 vs. 3/4 #
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11:47 pm
tcash
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@
librario868
Yes  and get students to create videos  "to teach is to learn" #
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11:47 pm
ColinTGraham
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At what age do you think children grasp the idea that divide in two is not the same as divide in half? #
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11:48 pm
ccampbel14
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I think every1 can be successful with fractions but most kids hear that they are so difficult. Then they aren't 'open' to start #
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11:48 pm
vare0015
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@
tcash
2 go w egg carton idea: add an "egg" 2 a carton each day and ask students to describe what portion of the carton has eggs. #
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11:49 pm
penny_222
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I used tangrams 2 tch fractions 2 gr. 8 sumr schl. Never done b4 b/c feel 2 much curriculum to 'play'. I was wrong, need play time #
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11:50 pm
tcash
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@
vare0015
Yes, and we lay yarn across egg carton to divide up in different ways, pretty effective #
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11:50 pm
mthman
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@
thnorfar
So right...too much parts of a whole (fractions) and not much connection to other representations! Bloom's at it's worst #
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11:51 pm
vare0015
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Use fractions in fun data collection. Poll class for favorite color, etc and ask what portion of class likes red? #
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11:51 pm
mthman
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@
tcash
Egg cartons are great manipulative, agreed, but they need to go further in connecting to multiple numeric forms! #
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11:51 pm
Caro_lann
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#
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I despair when my adult learners still talk about the "bigger half". Everyday language gets in the way of the maths.
11:51 pm
thnorfar
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@
ColinTGraham
Divide in two is not the same as divide in half? I thought it was. I learned something tonight THANKS #
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11:52 pm
tcash
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@
mthman
True  it's one place to start, especially in 5th grade if kids haven't had solid conceptual base to build on #
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11:52 pm
mthman
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Back at home...bring on your thoughts! Who looks forward to teaching fractions? Raise your (virtual) hand!! #
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11:53 pm
tcash
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@
thnorfar
Yes! "Bigger half" a pet peeve! ;) #
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11:53 pm
thnorfar
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I also think we need to reduce what aspects of fraction need to be mastered and when. #
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11:53 pm
tcash
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@
mthman
I look forward to fractions  strangely enough, it's the unit my 5th graders usually do best at #
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11:54 pm
ColinTGraham
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@
vtdeacon
says his 5yr son is very good at choose the big half! #
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11:54 pm
tcash
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Yes! Step by step for deep und RT @
thnorfar
: I also think we need to reduce what aspects of fraction need to be mastered and when. #
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11:54 pm
penny_222
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I always reteach fractions. Many students don't understand equivalent #
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11:54 pm
ruth4916
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@
Caro_lann
Agree! What manipulatives appropriate/effective for adults? #
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11:55 pm
ccampbel14
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@
ColinTGraham
Maybe all the different forms of fractions and what they represent. #
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11:55 pm
thnorfar
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@
penny_222
Equivalent. I have them in high school. They don't get any of it :) #
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11:55 pm
ColinTGraham
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@
Caro_lann
You say "fraction as a part of a number" is a problem for your adults. How do you approach this? #
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11:55 pm
mthman
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Name your favorite math project that is built around fractions... #
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11:55 pm
librario868
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One of the problems is tht most think that math is left brain, as if elitest, but I think that it's very right brain too DaVinci. #
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11:56 pm
thnorfar
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@
mthman
Planning a dinner party for Paula Dean #
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11:56 pm
ColinTGraham
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@
mthman
I have three favourites! Origami, Tangrams and Smarties (although M&Ms work too!) #
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11:57 pm
penny_222
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One thing middle student excel at is money problems. Using fractions & money helps some spec ed students #
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11:57 pm
mthman
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Woot! > RT @
tcash
I look forward to fractions  strangely enough, it's the unit my 5th graders usually do best at #
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11:57 pm
mthman
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@
thnorfar
Please elaborate...do the kids get to shop & prepare a meal? #
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11:58 pm
Caro_lann
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@
ColinTGraham
#
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Number line seems to work best. 0 1 and it also links to probability scale where I think fraction notation useful
11:59 pm
mthman
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Yes...please share if you have them! RT @
thnorfar
: anyone have links to their projects so that others could use? #
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11:59 pm
Saskateach
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Great ideas @ any grade?@
ColinTGraham
: @
mthman
I have three favourites! Origami, Tangrams and Smarties (although M&Ms work too!) #
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11:59 pm
ColinTGraham
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How about more complex 'conceptual' fractions such as %. eg increase by 200% = x3 not x2... #
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11:59 pm
ccampbel14
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I like using egg cartons also, but don't always use the 12 sections. Cut off 2 so there are 10 parts & connect 2 decimals&percents #
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11:59 pm
thnorfar
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@
mthman
They don't shop. They get recipes with different serving sizes. They have to create a groc list that feeds 11 people. #
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11:59 pm
librario868
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Students created math games as a project. #
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11:59 pm
tcash
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@
mthman
I think part of why they do well in fractions is Bridges has many ways 2 representkids pick what they're comfortble with #
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12:00 am
mthman
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Always comes down to $$ RT @
penny_222
: 1 thing middle stdt excel at is $$ problems. Using fractions & $$ helps some spec ed stdts #
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12:00 am
ColinTGraham
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@
thnorfar
Scaling recipes is a useful activity. Also timings for preparing the meal itself. #
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12:01 am
thnorfar
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@
mthman
I will place it on my wiki. Check out projects folder
http://norfarcur.pbworks.com/
and named paula dean. #
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12:01 am
iwantwealth
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We wait too long to introduce fractions to children and introduce them as a separate "thing". The process is not organic. #
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12:01 am
ccampbel14
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I was very structured explaining how 2 'say' fractions. Numerator is our counting #
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and the denominator is an ordinal #. Helped! #
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12:01 am
tcash
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@
ccampbel14
we use paper egg cartons cut as different wholes for adv kids  10, 12, 18, 20, 30.. helps kids think more flexibly #
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12:05 am
ColinTGraham
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Does work with money not avoid the fact that 1.50 is not 1 and 50/100 but rather 1 and 50 smaller things? #
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12:06 am
ruth4916
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@
Caro_lann
Students have experience with cash and are usually very motivated to get it right. #
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12:06 am
mthman
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@
thnorfar
Okay, so condense it to a lunch time fundraiser...root beer floats or lemonade...profit vs portion size #
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12:06 am
ccampbel14
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I get kids 2 cut pics out & show halves, thirds, fourths, fifths, sixths, etc. Gr8 for formative assessment 2 see what they know. #
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12:06 am
ColinTGraham
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There are some excellent resources on the Wiki preparation page for prof dev and structured workshops from NCETM in the UK #
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12:07 am
ColinTGraham
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https://www.ncetm.org.uk/resources/13230
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12:08 am
thnorfar
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@
mthman
lunch time fundraiser sounds great. What grade do you teach? #
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12:08 am
mthman
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@
ColinTGraham
Currency is always the great equalizer...whether it's fractions, multiplication, or decimals...they R on fam ground #
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12:09 am
aliharper20
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RT @
penny_222
: I always reteach fractions. Many students don't understand equivalent #
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same here!
12:09 am
ccampbel14
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I like this website for many of the activities but here is a section on fractions:
http://bit.ly/8VU75
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12:09 am
mthman
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@
thnorfar
Seventh & Eighth....prealg 1 & 2 as well as algebra #
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12:09 am
penny_222
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During parent lit./math night we had students teach fractions to parents & then they played games w/ parents (fraction dominos) #
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12:10 am
ColinTGraham
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Tangrams: take smallest triangle as a unit area. I usually start with a rectangle and do a folding activity to make the set... #
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12:11 am
ColinTGraham
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M&Ms (Smarties): 1 package, count contents, how many of each colour, 5 out of 27 are blue etc... #
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12:11 am
mthman
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How many of you bring in the pros (carpenters, mechanics, bankers, etc.) when teaching fractions? #
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12:11 am
thnorfar
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@
ColinTGraham
do you have a site showing how to do all your suggestions (tangrams, origami). I would like to "borrow" them :) #
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12:12 am
tcash
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@
ColinTGraham
Smarties also good for relating fractions to probability (at least in elementary!) ;) #
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12:12 am
ccampbel14
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Just looked over the mathschat wiki...what is a vulgar fraction? Is it an improper fraction? #
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12:13 am
penny_222
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Math fear is engrained in students if tchrs & parents say 'I don't get it so I can't help'. need 2 tch prob. solving strategies #
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12:13 am
ColinTGraham
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@
thnorfar
I am putting together my resources for tangrams and origami but send your email by direct message and I'll send Word doc #
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12:13 am
Caro_lann
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@
ccampbel14
Vulgar fractions are just common fractions. Can be proper or improper #
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12:14 am
ColinTGraham
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@
ccampbel14
Vulgar fraction is probably a euroterm! Common fraction in North Am I think! #
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12:14 am
tcash
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@
penny_222
Yes, and I can't tell you how many times I've heard parents say they had horrible memories of learning fractions #
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12:14 am
ColinTGraham
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Improper fractions are sometimes called topheavy fractions. #
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12:14 am
thnorfar
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@
ColinTGraham
You are the best. I am sending you my email now. I was wondering about vulgar fracs as well. Thanks for clarifyng #
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12:15 am
ccampbel14
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I do baking with fractions. I like to ask kids how they would make a larger/smaller batch & see what happens. #
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12:15 am
ColinTGraham
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I usually steal one and eat it! RT @
tcash
: Smarties also good for relating fractions to probability (at least in elementary!) ;) #
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12:15 am
padgets
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@
penny_222
#
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like tihis idea, how did you organize it?
12:16 am
mthman
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@
penny_222
I think at that point you should invite your parents in to learn fractions w/your students...let them model 4 children #
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12:16 am
ColinTGraham
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@
ccampbel14
Baking or cookery works where countries use cups as measures, not so practical with metric... #
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12:17 am
penny_222
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Have to go thxs for amazing #
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12:17 am
ColinTGraham
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@
penny_222
Bye Penny, archive will be online in about 45 minutes! #
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12:18 am
EightFalls
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A fraction that has an integer numerator and integer denominator. m/n where m and n are both Z and n (not=) 0 is a vulgar frac #
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12:19 am
ccampbel14
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Have learned 2 be careful with my choice of wordsUsed 2 say couldn't leave fractions in improper form & kids thought it was 'bad'#
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12:19 am
ColinTGraham
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Once, IF, students get the concept of fractions as being equal parts of something, how do we then go on to 4rules or manipulation #
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12:20 am
Caro_lann
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@
ColinTGraham
: @
ccampbel14
Baking or cookery works where countries use cups as measures, not so practical with metric. Or Imperial #
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12:20 am
thnorfar
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@
ccampbel14
In Algebra, calc we use improper fractions more than anything else #
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12:20 am
ccampbel14
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@
ColinTGraham
Canada is metric but we generally still use cups, etc. I have a metric set as well but don't use it as much #
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12:20 am
ColinTGraham
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@
EightFalls
Thank you for that definition! I hope you can also explain it to parents and students ;) #
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12:20 am
tcash
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I think it's a good sign when my kids start to use fractions within fractions  like oneandahalf/eigths #
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12:21 am
padgets
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#
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Hi everyone, I wanted to let you know I am practicing my math from all the suggestions you gave me last week, Thanks!
12:21 am
ccampbel14
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We can also use basic carpentry connections. I still go to the store and look for a 2 by 4 #
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12:22 am
ColinTGraham
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@
padgets
Great Sharon! Keep going, it's not just the exercise people who need encouragement! #
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12:22 am
mthman
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Learning operations w/fractions 2 quickly & w/a lack of context is like learning abstract algebra! Context + connections = success #
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12:22 am
gailly123
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@
padgets
Thats great. The more you practice the easier it will become #
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12:23 am
ColinTGraham
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Interestingly, manipulation of fractions i.e. 4rules, does not seem to be part of adult numeracy, at least in the UK #
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12:23 am
Caro_lann
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#
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Move on to adding and subtracting by investigating equivalent fractions. E.g. 1/2 =2/4=4/8 etc. Then introduce common denominator
12:23 am
mthman
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Woot! U go girl! RT @
tcash
: I think it's a good sign when my kids use fractions within fractions  like oneandahalf/eigths #
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12:23 am
evemarfil
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Pittsburgh board, teachers OK pact
http://www.postgazette.com/pg/10166/1065651
298.stm #
teachers
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#
edtech
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#
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12:24 am
padgets
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@
ccampbel14
#
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in science class we only use metric one of the labs is converting a english receipe to a metric version, then cook it
12:25 am
ColinTGraham
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@
tcash
How would you transition from oneandahalf eighths to three sixteenths...? #
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12:25 am
Caro_lann
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#
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My learners don't HAVE to learn 4 rules but they often WANT to so they can help their kids. So I teach it with a light touch.
12:25 am
ccampbel14
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@
thnorfar
I found that b/c of how I used to present them , my kids thought they had made a mistake when they got an improper ans. #
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12:26 am
thnorfar
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Absolutely!RT @
Caro_lann
: #
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on to adding and subtracting by investigating equivalent fractions. Then introduce com den #
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12:26 am
evemarfil
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Pittsburgh board In 2010/11Teachers with master's degrees will earn $4,000 a year more#
teachers
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edtech
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12:26 am
thnorfar
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@
ccampbel14
Ahh! It is a common thing. I have to tell that improper is not bad just a name #
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12:27 am
ColinTGraham
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Do we need to spend more time on fractions which don't have 'special' names like half, third and quarter..? #
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12:27 am
tcash
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@
ColinTGraham
Egg cartons  stretch more pieces of yarn to divide the egg cartons in a diffrnt way (but still keep same # of eggs) #
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12:27 am
ruth4916
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@
Caro_lann
Missiing terminology? What are 4 rules? #
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12:27 am
padgets
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#
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would someone dm me the 4 rules so I do not take up space in the current conversation? thanks :0)
12:27 am
evemarfil
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Pittsburgh board, teachers OK pact
http://www.postgazette.com/pg/10166/1065651
298.stm #
edchat
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edtech
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lrnchat
12:28 am
tcash
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Having the kids make and compare fraction strip kits are useful at the 5th grade level when the kids are so concrete #
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12:28 am
mthman
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How much can you learn about fractions from a picture? Sunday ads? The best teaching aids are usually right there in front of us! #
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12:29 am
ColinTGraham
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@
thnorfar
It sometimes works if you tell Ss that for a fraction to be proper, it only has whole numbers, and the smaller is on top #
mathchat
12:29 am
Caro_lann
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@
ruth4916
#
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4 rules is add subtract multiply divide. Maybe a UK term
12:29 am
ColinTGraham
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Why I say 4 rules: add subtract multiple divide  unless anyone has different ideas? ;) #
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12:29 am
tcash
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@
mthman
Yes! Newspapers are great  esp ads  Figure out how much it costs to ad 1/4 page, 1/8 page, etc. or wk backwards #
mathchat
12:30 am
ccampbel14
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Another mistake made: 'You CANNOT use decimals in a fraction'. Now I say it's convention to write the answer in proper form. #
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12:30 am
mthman
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@
tcash
That so reminds me of a flying lesson where students made fraction strips to tally miles traveled around the world! #
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12:30 am
EightFalls
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@
ColinTGraham
The Vulgar fraction (rational numbers) definition was based on the topic dependent integers being satisfied. #
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12:31 am
ColinTGraham
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@
ccampbel14
Big mistake is that decimal numbers are actually mixed numbers, with a whole part and a decimal fraction... #
mathchat
12:31 am
mthman
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@
tcash
I'll see if I can find the article & tweet the link (from NCTM MTMS magazine)...years ago...hmm #
mathchat
12:31 am
tcash
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@
mthman
Cool project! I think the more fractions are related to "real world" and less abstract, the more kids are likely to get #
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12:32 am
librario868
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Thanks for some of the clarifications; I just been assimilating all the posts; wasn't sure what to ask. #
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12:32 am
Caro_lann
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#
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Decimal fractions and vulgar fractions. Do percentages count as fractions too?never been quite sure.
12:33 am
ColinTGraham
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OK, looks like we only scratched the surface again! Followup on Monday! #
mathchat
12:33 am
tcash
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@
mthman
Would love a copy of the article! Thanks! #
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12:33 am
ccampbel14
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In Alberta, @ junior high, we have split add/subtr of fractions in gr 7 & mult/div of fractions to gr 8. Hope this works better #
mathchat
12:33 am
mthman
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@
tcash
That's the key! Less abstract, more relative to something they are likely to encounter #
mathchat
12:33 am
ColinTGraham
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Percent comes from the Latin out of 100... so I guess so! @
caro_lann
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12:34 am
ColinTGraham
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If you enjoyed this half as much as I did, I enjoyed it twice as much as you! Thanks everyone #
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12:34 am
mthman
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Summer School is out...should be able to join! RT @
ColinTGraham
: OK, looks like we only scratched the surface again! F/U on Mon! #
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12:34 am
koolkat222
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My curriculum has +/ fractions along w/ mult/div fractions. I have them master +/ first. Otherwise it's too confusing for them. #
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12:34 am
Caro_lann
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#
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Can't believe I stayed up till 1.30 am again! Good chat this week!
12:34 am
EightFalls
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@
Caro_lann
Percentages are a special classification of fractions where the denominator is 100. #
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12:34 am
tcash
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@
mthman
Kids already come with a good understanding of fractions 1/4 tank of gas, half cookie we mess it up w rules to memorize #
mathchat
12:35 am
ColinTGraham
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Thanks to @
tcash
@
mthman
for helping with the questions/prompts #
mathchat
12:35 am
cybraryman1
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My Fractions and Decimals page:
http://bit.ly/mo6eb
#
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12:35 am
tcash
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Haha! Clever! Same here! RT @
ColinTGraham
: If U enjoyed this 1/2 as much as I did, I enjoyed it twice as much as you! THX evryone #
mathchat
12:35 am
ColinTGraham
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Feel free to keep going, but we are officially over time! #
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12:36 am
tcash
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@
ColinTGraham
Thanks for a superb #
mathchat
!
12:36 am
mthman
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Thanks to @
tcash
@
ColinTGraham
@
thnorfar
@
Saskateach
for the awesome #
mathchat
tonight! Have a wonderful weekend!
12:36 am
thnorfar
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great chat everyone. #
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12:36 am
ColinTGraham
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@
Caro_lann
Thanks Carolann, see you again on Monday...? #
mathchat
12:36 am
mthman
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BINGO! RT @
tcash
Kids come with a good understanding of fractions 1/4 tank of gas, half cookie we mess it up w rules to memorize #
mathchat
12:36 am
padgets
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RT @
cybraryman1
: My Fractions and Decimals page:
http://bit.ly/mo6eb
#
mathchat
12:38 am
mthman
:
Like a true math geek! RT @
tcash
@
ColinTGraham
: If U enjoyed this 1/2 as much as I did, I enjoyed it twice as much as you! THX! #
mathchat
12:38 am
ccampbel14
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@
Caro_lann
I think that % represents a fraction with a denom. of 100. It'ss used so often that we have the % symbol to b efficient #
mathchat
12:38 am
FlyontheCWall
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looooooooooots of hands on!!!!! #
mathchat
12:38 am
ColinTGraham
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@
thnorfar
See you again next time Telannia, glad you enjoyed your first chat! #
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