Topic: What tools or methods can we use to make maths 'real'?
As it happened on Thursday, 22nd July 23:30 - 00:30 GMT

11:34 pm
ColinTGraham:
Hello everyone, welcome to our second #mathchat topic: What tools or methods can we use to make maths 'real'?
11:35 pm
ColinTGraham:
For newcomers, just jump straight in. Focus on one or two comments and start conversations with people. Don't forget to add #mathchat
11:37 pm
ColinTGraham:
@mthman, @tcash and I will be throwing out some questions and RTing, so don't worry if you miss something! #mathchat
11:38 pm
ColinTGraham:
If you want to use TweetGrid, instructions are here:http://mathschat.wikispaces.com/Z_Set+up+TweetGrid #mathchat
11:38 pm
marynabadenhors:
Measurement is my fav real topic #mathchat Example herehttp://mathsyear7.wikispaces.com/Ancient+Egypt
11:38 pm
penny_222:
2 make math real I hv an assignment per strand we learn. I hv been challenging student 2 write own problems that they can relate 2 #mathchat
11:39 pm
mthman:
@ColinTGraham Using TweetGrid here...no issues...seem to be more frequent updates! #mathchat
11:40 pm
egyTweets:
RT @marynabadenhors: Measurement is my fav real topic #mathchat Example herehttp://mathsyear7.wikispaces.com/Ancient+Egypt
11:40 pm
mrdfleming:
I'm going to try to focus on some of Cathy Fosnot's ideas about using real problems/investigations for Math in the classroom #mathchat
11:40 pm
mthman:
@penny_222 I love the idea of asking students to write problems! Do you use any on assessments? #mathchat
11:40 pm
ColinTGraham:
What sort of things do they write? RT @penny_222: .... I hv been challenging student 2 write own problems that they can relate 2 #mathchat
11:41 pm
ColinTGraham:
Don't forget #mathchat ! RT @gailly123: @ColinTGraham model or when possible actual items so the students can touch, measure or manipulate
11:42 pm
mthman:
@veisman Is Go something you can play regardless of unit? #mathchat
11:42 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat Real maths: I use WaterAid information sheets and students make comparisons between countries http://j.mp/bE07aH
11:42 pm
ColinTGraham:
What's most difficult to do this for? RT @gailly123: model or when possible actual items so the students can touch, measure/manip #mathchat
11:43 pm
mthman:
I recently was able to purchase GPS units and now I teach geocaching along w/simple navigation #mathchat
11:44 pm
mthman:
Egg-Drop...Rocketry...Pringles Challenge...got a favorite project? #mathchat
11:44 pm
veisman:
@mthman favorite math probs often involve the ancient game of Go http://agfgo.org/ uses area and perimeter, estimating et al. #mathchat
11:45 pm
ColinTGraham:
Is there a particular age when real problems or investigations becomes difficult...? #mathchat
11:46 pm
padgets:
#mathchat as a science teacher not good at math, good sites you know of that I can brush up on my algebra skills? thank you for all you do!
11:46 pm
penny_222:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat students use the problems we have studied, others start combining other strands. They write re: pizza &video games
11:46 pm
gailly123:
@ColinTGraham for my students it's algebra #mathchat
11:46 pm
mthman:
@veisman Looking at the GO...will have to explore in more depth later this evening...thx! #mathchat
11:47 pm
ColinTGraham:
@marynabadenhors There was a very interesting Webinar last night about Ancient Egyptian maths. Math 2.0 Group, link on Wiki. #mathchat
11:47 pm
mthman:
@padgets Try mathcounts.org for unique problems....anyone take kids to MATHCOUNTS? I have...amazing! #mathchat
11:48 pm
ColinTGraham:
@Caro_lann Do you mean real in the sense of authentic, then? Rather than real = concrete... #mathchat
11:49 pm
ColinTGraham:
Ways to make algebra 'real' anyone? RT @gailly123: @ColinTGraham for my students it's algebra #mathchat
11:49 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat Real problems fit in at every age and level and throw up interesting teaching points like "messy" numbers and misleading stats etc
11:49 pm
mthman:
@padgets Figure This is also a good site....NCTM Illuminations...Math Forum... #mathchat
11:49 pm
gailly123:
@mthman I agree MathCounts is excellent especially for my higher level students #mathchat
11:50 pm
mthman:
Favorite elem math project....we created and ran our own city, capitalism in action....very rich! #mathchat
11:50 pm
tcash:
RT @Caro_lann: #mathchat Real problems fit in at every age and level and throw up interesting teaching points
11:51 pm
mthman:
@gailly123 I like to use Countdown Round problems as Problem of the Week type activities... #mathchat
11:51 pm
tcash:
@mthman Illuminations is a fantastic resource #mathchat
11:51 pm
ColinTGraham:
What aspects of algebra cause probs for you/Ss? RT @padgets: good sites you know of that I can brush up on my algebra skills? #mathchat
11:52 pm
mthman:
Anyone use the PBS Teachers site....LOADED w/projects! #mathchat
11:52 pm
math2go:
real problems allow students to make conjectures, test conjectures, revise, and try again #mathchat
11:52 pm
penny_222:
There r g8 picture books to use to teach math concepts #mathchat then students can create own version
11:52 pm
ColinTGraham:
Algebra seems to be a recurring problem at most levels! Any suggestions...? #mathchat
11:52 pm
mthman:
Agreed! I like to use it for inspiration for ideas... RT @tcash: @mthman Illuminations is a fantastic resource #mathchat
11:52 pm
gailly123:
@padgets Another good site is http://www.mathforum.org/teachers/ #mathchat
11:53 pm
tcash:
RT @ColinTGraham: Algebra seems to be a recurring problem at most levels! Any suggestions...? #mathchat
11:54 pm
mthman:
Love 2 send parents here --> RT @gailly123: @padgets Another good site ishttp://www.mathforum.org/teachers/ #mathchat
11:54 pm
ColinTGraham:
Yes, concrete=real, is not the same... RT @Caro_lann Authentic, I guess. Concrete probs can be just as "school maths" as abstract. #mathchat
11:55 pm
gailly123:
@mthman What is Countdown Round #mathchat
11:55 pm
penny_222:
@ColinTGraham construction for math, analysis for geography. Math needs 2 b cross-curricular btw subjects so kids see connections. #mathchat
11:55 pm
ColinTGraham:
Can you give titles/links please? RT @penny_222: There r g8 picture books to use... #mathchat
11:56 pm
tcash:
If the World Were a Village - using counters to represent statistics #mathchat
11:56 pm
math2go:
Teaching kids early to draw solutions helps engagement - they like it and it helps move them to abstract thinking #mathchat
11:56 pm
ColinTGraham:
For me, one of the issues with algebra has always been the level of abstraction seems unnecessary to non-mathematicians! #mathchat
11:56 pm
padgets:
#mathchat went to the websites and put them on my delicious, they look like they will be great to help me, thanks bunches PLN!
11:56 pm
tcash:
RT @math2go: Teaching kids early to draw solutions helps engagement - they like it and it helps move them to abstract thinking #mathchat
11:57 pm
mthman:
@gailly123 Competitions have several rounds...for individuals, pairs, teams, etc....Countdown is lightening fast problem solving! #mathchat
11:57 pm
veisman:
@tcash there's an algebra method that uses chess pawns to represent variables on a scale- can't remember the name but it's great #mathchat
11:57 pm
padgets:
#mathchat that brings up a question to you all, would you prefer book learning for math or online like the help you sent me? :-0)
11:58 pm
mthman:
I have a class set of sliderules...thinking of asking community to come tutor kids to learn how to use them! #mathchat
11:58 pm
ColinTGraham:
Maths IS cross-curricular! Question is who teaches it...? RT @penny_222: .... Math needs 2 b cross-curricular btw subjects... #mathchat
11:58 pm
tcash:
@veisman Sounds fantastic! Chess is such a rich context for mathematics #mathchat
11:59 pm
mthman:
@padgets A hybrid...take problems from the websites and grapple w/them as a class...let the kids be the experts and share ideas #mathchat

12:00 am
ColinTGraham:
So Algebra III test next week then Sharon? ;-) RT @padgets: #mathchat went to the websites and put them on my delicious...

math2go:
@padgets the nice thing about online is that it is often interactive - ex on nvlm students can manipulate to learn #mathchat
12:01 am
mthman:
Anyone have access to graphing calculators? #mathchat
12:01 am
ColinTGraham:
@Caro_lann What do you find your adult students have the most immediate difficulty with? #mathchat
12:01 am
math2go:
also kids need to spend lots and lots of time bouncing ideas off of each other #mathchat
12:02 am
mthman:
If graphing calculators...anyone have access to Calculator-based Rangers? Awesome for all levels for teaching graphing... #mathchat
12:02 am
penny_222:
@veisman @tcash #mathchat students need to have good understanding of patterning b4 algebra
12:02 am
gailly123:
@ColinTGraham Everyone should be teaching it or at least making reference when teaching other content areas, instead of isloation #mathchat
12:02 am
ColinTGraham:
Try to remember the #mathchat hashtag!
12:02 am
tcash:
So true! RT @math2go: also kids need to spend lots and lots of time bouncing ideas off of each other #mathchat
12:02 am
veisman:
@mthman not I, but there's a great graphing calculator iPhone app and some available for IWB #mathchat
12:03 am
gailly123:
@mthman Yes. Excellent tool #mathchat
12:03 am
ColinTGraham:
@gailly123 Yes, in an ideal world, but some teachers are very uncomfortable with some mathematical aspects of their curriculum... #mathchat
12:04 am
padgets:
@math2go #mathchat yes and I can do online stuff over and over and over practice practice without being embarrassed
12:04 am
Caro_lann:
@math2go: Teaching kids early to draw solutions ...helps move them to abstract thinking #mathchatAnd helps them spot patterns >-- algebra
12:04 am
penny_222:
@padgets #mathchat it is what is best learning for students. Bit of tech, manipulatives, book, rich problems, direct instruction, & praise
12:04 am
ColinTGraham:
@mthman There was a movement in the UK to actually include graphical calculator work as part of advanced level exams (18/19 yrs) #mathchat
12:05 am
padgets:
@penny_222 #mathchat yes this would have been greta for me back when :-0)
12:05 am
math2go:
RT @ColinTGraham: some teachers are very uncomfortable with some mathematical aspects of their curriculum... #mathchat <esp in elem
12:05 am
ColinTGraham:
Yes, maybe we can help though... ;-) RT @mrdfleming: Then they need to make themselves comfortable with it... it's their job. #mathchat
12:06 am
penny_222:
One of the hardest concept is how to read a protractor #mathchat
12:06 am
padgets:
#mathchat what would you all think is the reason kids stuggle with math?
12:06 am
mthman:
@veisman Lots of great applets available...trying to locate the graphing calculator app I found years ago #mathchat
12:06 am
ColinTGraham:
I have the feeling that most of the people teaching maths at Secondary level (MS/HS) should really be teaching elementary... #mathchat
12:07 am
padgets:
#mathchat I ment struggle :-0)
12:07 am
gailly123:
@ColinTGraham How what can be do to help change that mind set?? #mathchat
12:07 am
tcash:
RT @Caro_lann: Teaching kids early to draw solutions..helps move to abstract thinking #mathchatAnd helps them spot patterns >-- algebra
12:07 am
mthman:
@padgets Show them you are learning side-by-side w/them...so powerful! #mathchat
12:07 am
ColinTGraham:
Try activities using rulers and geometry...? RT @penny_222: One of the hardest concept is how to read a protractor #mathchat
12:07 am
tcash:
RT @mthman: Show them you are learning side-by-side w/them...so powerful! #mathchat
12:07 am
veisman:
@gailly123 teachers are uncomfortable because focus is always on the result, not the process. Process focus allows vulnerability #mathchat
12:08 am
mthman:
@ColinTGraham Yeah...HS teachers recommend them but often too pricey... #mathchat
12:09 am
padgets:
@mthman #mathchat well, i would feel like the kids, embarassed I do not know what I should be teaching them, could be a good thing too
12:09 am
ColinTGraham:
@gailly123 One issue, again particularly when subjects start to specialize, is scheduling of opportunities for team teaching. #mathchat
12:09 am
penny_222:
@padgets #mathchat curriculum is so vast that kids who don't get it might never get basics they need and it keeps building every yr
12:10 am
mthman:
How do you teach lines & angles? #mathchat
12:10 am
padgets:
@penny_222 #mathchat that was me!!
12:11 am
tcash:
We start by using pattern blocks, comparing them to each other, before learning how to use a protractor (in 5th grade) #mathchat
12:11 am
ColinTGraham:
@mthman It's a shame. Correct calculator use & understanding, graphic or not, relies on basics being known too, part of problem! #mathchat
12:11 am
mthman:
@padgets I love it when I mess up in class & the students correct me...I understand though..if they are experts, you can summarize #mathchat
12:11 am
tcash:
RT @mthman: How do you teach lines & angles? #mathchat
12:11 am
padgets:
@ColinTGraham #mathchat I would like to see cross curricular like in our freshman academy be done all 9-12
12:11 am
math2go:
@penny_222 traditionally, early intervention has only been offered in reading. We must change that! #mathchat
12:12 am
tcash:
YES! RT @math2go: traditionally, early intervention has only been offered in reading. We must change that! #mathchat
12:12 am
padgets:
RT @math2go: @penny_222 traditionally, early intervention has only been offered in reading. We must change that! #mathchat
12:12 am
ColinTGraham:
RT @Caro_lann Basic Ed returners most often find fractions difficult. Trainee num tchers find it hard 2 let go of "1 right answer" #Mathchat
12:12 am
math2go:
@mthman geometry is easy if connections are made to art, nature, and architecture #mathchat
12:13 am
mathheadinc:
@padgets Kids struggle for lack of solid foundation in the basics, lack of reasoning skills, using calculator too much to early. #mathchat
12:13 am
mthman:
One year I brought a paintball gun to school (on wknd) and shot up the room...students had to surmise angle & position! #mathchat
12:13 am
penny_222:
Having kids sit single columns w/ no time build in for math chatting makes kids stop b4 even attempting. #mathchat let kids talk out ideas
12:13 am
tcash:
Much attention is paid to studnets who lag behind with reading skills- math learning disabilities must be paid attention to! #mathchat
12:14 am
padgets:
@mthman #mathchat I am ok wiht that when I teach science concepts, but when I mess up teaching them the math......bad things happen :-0)
12:14 am
tcash:
RT @penny_222: Having kids sit single columns w/ no time for math chatting makes kids stop b4 even attempting. #mathchat
12:14 am
math2go:
@ColinTGraham many adults have no internal picture of fractional parts - we MUST give that to kids! #mathchat
12:14 am
padgets:
RT @tcash: Much attention is paid to studnets who lag behind with reading skills- math learning disabilities must be paid attention to! #mathchat
12:14 am
ColinTGraham:
@padgets I suggested in edchat, projects for extra credit could b run which required sign-off from 3+ tchrs, to encourage X-curric #mathchat
12:14 am
math2go:
RT @penny_222: Having kids sit single columns w/ no time build in for math chatting makes kids stop b4 even attempting. #mathchat let kids talk out ideas
12:14 am
mathheadinc:
Tremendous resource for visualizing math, no coding required: Demonstrations.Wolfram.com #mathchat
12:14 am
gailly123:
@ColinTGraham Time is definitely not on our side #mathchat
12:15 am
mathheadinc:
RT @math2go @ColinTGraham: some teachers are very uncomfortable with some mathematical aspects of their curriculum... #mathchat <esp in elem
12:15 am
math2go:
@tcash research shows kids from poverty come to school with the same kind of deficits in math as they do in rdg #mathchat
12:15 am
padgets:
@mathheadinc #mathchat I agree, I feel the kids pain when they cannot count back change
12:15 am
mathheadinc:
@math2go Glad you said that! #mathchat
12:16 am
ColinTGraham:
So what should take priority? How do we decide? RT @gailly123: Time is definitely not on our side #mathchat
12:16 am
mthman:
How about learning stations for differentiation but also for application in other settings...art, tech, manipulatives, etc. #mathchat
12:16 am
penny_222:
"@math2go: @penny_222 traditionally, early intervention has only been offered in reading. We must change that!> Agreed #mathchat"
12:16 am
mathheadinc:
@padgets Or can't do fractions WITH a calculator that does fractions...in high school! Ouch!! #mathchat
12:17 am
ColinTGraham:
How? What fractions r 'valid'? RT @math2go: many adults have no internal picture of fractional parts - we MUST give that to kids! #mathchat
12:17 am
ccampbel14:
@penny_222 My students struggled with protractors as well. Not sure why! #mathchat
12:17 am
tcash:
RT @mthman: How about learning stations for differentiation & also for application in other settings..art, tech, manipulatives,etc #mathchat
12:17 am
ColinTGraham:
RT @mthman: How do you teach lines & angles? #mathchat
12:18 am
penny_222:
@math2go @ColinTGraham please tchrs stop using pizza as the only fraction demo #mathchat
12:18 am
gailly123:
@mthman When you mess up and the students correct you could also be an assessment tool #mathchat
12:18 am
veisman:
@mthman I start with points, spending time in the dark looking at dust motes as theoretical representations, then build on that #mathchat
12:18 am
math2go:
RT @mathheadinc: @padgets Or can't do fractions ..in high school! Ouch!! #mathchat <since proportional thinking is HUGE that is disastrous!
12:18 am
mthman:
@padgets So start w/problems that you have a solution and at least one strategy for solving... #mathchat
12:18 am
padgets:
@mathheadinc #mathchat I know, I plan on sharing all the resources from tonight's chat with the staff.maybe this will help even one kid :)
12:18 am
ccampbel14:
@penny_222 I agree with early intervention but how do we assess when a student needs it? Anyone doing this? #mathchat
12:19 am
mathheadinc:
@penny_222 It won't change until the education of elem teachers changes. #mathchat
12:19 am
mthman:
YES! YES! YES! RT @gailly123: @mthman When you mess up and the students correct you could also be an assessment tool #mathchat
12:19 am
tcash:
@penny_222 Egg cartons and fraction strips the kids make themselves are effective for fractions #mathchat
12:19 am
ccampbel14:
I used to have kids come into junior high only knowing the pizza or pie model for fractions. Agree that there must be more visuals #mathchat
12:19 am
nyates314:
RT @mthman: One year I brought a paintball gun to school (on wknd) and shot up the room...students had to surmise angle & position! #mathchat
12:19 am
ColinTGraham:
When was the last time any of you ever used a protractor outside the classroom? #mathchat
12:19 am
nyates314:
RT @math2go: @mthman geometry is easy if connections are made to art, nature, and architecture #mathchat
12:20 am
mthman:
@padgets If you get stuck...assign that as the only homework problem...find the mistake! #mathchat
12:20 am
ccampbel14:
@ColinTGraham Do you think, then, that protractor use is something we should teach? #mathchat
12:20 am
ColinTGraham:
I don't! Packets of M&Ms RT @penny_222: @math2go @ColinTGraham please tchrs stop using pizza as the only fraction demo #mathchat
12:20 am
mathheadinc:
@math2go Fewer math concepts cause as much anxiety as fractions up to 12th grade. Need more cookie baking! #mathchat
12:21 am
gailly123:
@mathheadinc To help students I have them write down all of the step they entered into the calculator and explain each step #mathchat
12:22 am
mathheadinc:
@mthman OOOH, find the mistakes in EVERYONE'S homework over the weekend. They'll get better at finding their own mistakes. #mathchat
12:22 am
nyates314:
@ColinTGraham While I haven't used a protractor, I often estimate angles, with understanding thereof having come from prtrctr use #mathchat
12:22 am
penny_222:
On days when I am ahead of curriculum I promote math by showing movies like TV 'numbers' to show math can be used outside class #mathchat
12:22 am
mthman:
@nyates314 Love the architecture aspect! Do I hear LEGO Engineering anyone?http://www.legoengineering.com/ #mathchat
12:22 am
veisman:
@veisman many points make a line, many lines, a plane and so on. Kids love the theoretical infinite so we write a lot of stories #mathchat
12:23 am
padgets:
@mathheadinc #mathchat why are fractions so difficult? since in science we use the metric system so much, the english one is hard
12:23 am
math2go:
@mathheadinc @penny_222 ah, yes! every kind of fractions - manipulatives, pictures, fraction strips, putting together, apart ... #mathchat
12:23 am
mathheadinc:
@ccampbel14 Yes, they should use as many tools as possible, but learn to use them well which means start EARLY, elem school. #mathchat
12:23 am
mthman:
@padgets You willing to connect your class w/others...say via a wiki? I'll offer up my classes right now! #mathchat
12:24 am
ColinTGraham:
@ccampbel14 Not unless for something real, like packaging, engineering. And then teaching should be by Art or Woodwork teacher! #mathchat
12:24 am
mathheadinc:
@gailly123 I don't let them use the calculator UNTIL they can do it by hand, up to a certain level that is. #mathchat
12:24 am
padgets:
@mthman #mathchat YESSS! I have one, sounds great!
12:24 am
math2go:
@veisman I always started geometry class with: a point is that which hath no part - gr8 discussion starter! #mathchat
12:24 am
nyates314:
@mthman I'll have to check out lego engineering. My geometry students build 3D structures w/blocks then talk faces/edges/vertices #mathchat
12:25 am
mthman:
@veisman How do you capture a dust mote so others can see? #mathchat
12:25 am
gailly123:
@ccampbel14 For students with IEP's but I believe all students should be assessed #mathchat
12:25 am
mathheadinc:
@math2go: @mathheadinc @penny_222 Yes, visualize, Visualize, VISUALIZE!! #mathchat
12:26 am
ccampbel14:
@gailly123 What tool do you use? I haven't found a great diagnostic tool that really pinpoints their understanding. #mathchat
12:26 am
veisman:
@nyates314 concerning architecture, integrate soc studies- have them design floorplan for missions, forts, castles, temples... #mathchat
12:26 am
ColinTGraham:
'cost-effectiveness' needs to be considered! RT @nyates314:... I often estimate, with understanding coming from prtrctr use #mathchat
12:26 am
librario868:
Many students leave elementary without acquiring basic math skills; leading to problems with fractions and algebra. #mathchat
12:27 am
ColinTGraham:
Rough-ideas and approximating also play a role in calculator use, deciding which box of cereal to buy... #mathchat
12:27 am
math2go:
@gailly123 we are starting to require annual student assessment so intervention can be offered early #mathchat
12:27 am
ccampbel14:
@librario868 Do you think this is because teachers don't have a deep understanding of fractions? #mathchat
12:27 am
mathheadinc:
@veisman You can use Cantor dust to teach infinite series to young people. They love it! #mathchat
12:27 am
librario868:
While teaching 8th grade math I had students that could not add, multiply, or divide w/o a calculator. #mathchat
12:27 am
penny_222:
@mthman @padgets #mathchat either of u want to skype & have kids present math problems to each other?
12:27 am
veisman:
@math2go yeah! Philosophy and math integration! And so poetic. Thanks #mathchat
12:28 am
tcash:
RT @math2go: we are starting to require annual student assessment so intervention can be offered early #mathchat
12:28 am
nyates314:
Yes! RT @veisman: concerning architecture, integrate soc studies- have them design floorplan for missions, forts, castles, temples #mathchat
12:28 am
marynabadenhors:
I am concerned that not all other subject teachers are modelling/teaching real life Mathematics/Numeracy... #mathchat
12:28 am
mthman:
Mult facts? RT @librario868: Students leave elementary without basic math skills; leading 2 prob w/fractions and alg. #mathchat
12:28 am
padgets:
@penny_222 #mathchat I can do the ones associated with science? we can skype :-0)
12:28 am
mathheadinc:
@padgets Teacher anxiety about fraction is passed on to their students. I see it all too often. #mathchat
12:29 am
ccampbel14:
@marynabadenhors I think most teachers model reading, writing, etc. across the subjects but if they 'did' math in all subjects-wow #mathchat
12:29 am
math2go:
RT @mathheadinc: @padgets Teacher anxiety about fraction is passed on to their students. I see it all too often. #mathchat <absolutely!
12:29 am
ColinTGraham:
So to summarize (only 2 minutes left!): problems with algebra, fractions, lines and angles, mostly... and we need more tools here #mathchat
12:29 am
marynabadenhors:
@tcash In Victoria Australia we assess students with online assessment tests twice or four times a year: Intervention when needed #mathchat
12:29 am
veisman:
@mthman The joy! Lights out, I turn on the projector and we all gather around it and behold a universe of points floating in space #mathchat
12:29 am
padgets:
@librario868 #mathchat I thought math was one of the high stakes skills students needed to pass in order to go to the next grade?
12:29 am
nyates314:
@marynabadenhors So can we work with them to encourage this? #mathchat
12:30 am
librario868:
Yes. Multi facts; supposed to mastered in 3rd grade. #mathchat
12:30 am
mathheadinc:
@ccampbel14 A great diagnostic tool is having them explain the concept to a classmate. #mathchat
12:30 am
tcash:
@marynabadenhors Sounds fantastic! What assessments are used? #mathchat
12:30 am
mthman:
@penny_222 Would love to, but my district won't let me! #mathchat
12:30 am
penny_222:
@librario868 sadly I review grade 4 to 7 math b4 beginning grade 8 b/c students favorite line 'I never learned that' or 'I forgot' #mathchat
12:30 am
padgets:
@mathheadinc #mathchat I want to change how I feel about my math skills, I think that would help my students too
12:31 am
marynabadenhors:
@ccampbel14 Real life skills: how 2 skip count, how 2 convert (e.g. when cooking/measuring in woodwork), how 2 estimate length etc #mathchat
12:31 am
ColinTGraham:
OK, we are officially over time now! Another fast and furious session! Feel free to continue, un-moderated! #mathchat
12:31 am
mathheadinc:
@ccampbel14 Many don't bc the methods learned in math ed classes are some of the worst. #mathchat
12:31 am
math2go:
RT @veisman: @mthman The joy! Lights out, I turn on the projector and behold a universe of points floating in space #mathchat <love it!
12:31 am
nyates314:
@marynabadenhors Math tchrs might 'trade' w/other tchrs: they incorporate numeracy, we do project w/connections to their subject #mathchat
12:32 am
mathheadinc:
@padgets You need to feel powerful and excited. I can help with that! :D #mathchat
12:32 am
ColinTGraham:
The archive for today will be online in about 30 minutes - Twitter willing! don't forget to follow new people! #mathchat
12:32 am
tcash:
Thank you to @ColinTGraham and @mthman for a fantastic #mathchat! I had network problems but loved following the convo!
12:32 am
nyates314:
RT @ccampbel14: I think most teachers model reading, writing, etc. across the subjects but if they 'did' math in all subjects-wow #mathchat
12:32 am
math2go:
RT @mathheadinc: @ccampbel14 Many don't bc the methods learned in math ed classes are some of the worst. #mathchat <and the math is minimal
12:32 am
gailly123:
@ccampbel14 Get rid of the pie charts and pizzas, now about comparing the number of boys to girls #mathchat
12:33 am
veisman:
graphing- I have students plot line graphs on attendance and gas prices. Later in SS we look over data to interpret causes #mathchat
12:33 am
visionspeaks:
ooo... via @math2go @veisman @mthman The joy! Lights out, I turn on the projector & behold a universe of points floating in space #mathchat
12:33 am
mathheadinc:
@math2go I get more students needing tutoring for this reason. #mathchat
12:33 am
mathheadinc:
@ColinTGraham Need more PATTERNS! #mathchat
12:33 am
ColinTGraham:
Follow @mathchat to get updates on the Wiki http://mathschat.wikispaces.com/ #mathchat
12:34 am
librario868:
Grade levels grp students during one block for math intervention. #mathchat
12:34 am
marynabadenhors:
We must also look at how we run schools: We need timetabled time off (math tchr & other tchrs) so we can plan units together #mathchat
12:34 am
math2go:
and teachers think it is ok to say 'I was never good at math' but would they say 'I was never good at reading'? No way! Only in US #mathchat
12:35 am
mathheadinc:
@padgets www.mathman.biz #mathchat
12:35 am
librario868:
@penny_222 Yes. Many say rote is out. #mathchat
12:35 am
ColinTGraham:
@Caro_lann Yes, extra credit is largely US, as was most of edchat at the time! #mathchat
12:36 am
math2go:
Also elem schools routinely allocate much more time for rdg than math - both essential competencies #mathchat
12:36 am
marynabadenhors:
RT @math2go: and teachers think it is ok to say 'I was never good at math' but would they say 'I was never good at reading'? No way! Only in US #mathchat
12:36 am
penny_222:
Every student should have access to math textbook or ebook #mathchat
12:36 am
mathheadinc:
@math2go Isn't that the truth!?! "teachers...would they say 'I was never good at reading'?" #mathchat
12:36 am
mathheadinc:
@math2go Saw an article about that. #mathchat
12:36 am
mthman:
Thank-you for great convo! @tcash @ColinTGraham @veisman @math2go @penny_222 @padgets@mathheadinc @nyates314 @gailly123 #mathchat
12:37 am
librario868:
RT @math2go: and teachers think it is ok to say 'I was never good at math' but would they say 'I was never good at reading'? No way! Only in US #mathchat
12:37 am
nyates314:
RT @marynabadenhors: Look at how we run schools: We need timetabled time off (math tchr & other tchrs) so can plan units together #mathchat
12:38 am
math2go:
RT @mthman: Thank-you for great convo! @tcash @ColinTGraham @veisman @math2go@penny_222 @padgets @mathheadinc @nyates314 @gailly123 #mathchat
12:38 am
mthman:
@veisman Got it! I was thinking you took a snapshot for all to see/analyze... #mathchat
12:38 am
ccampbel14:
@math2go This has been my frustration for many years. How do we change it up? #mathchat
12:38 am
mathheadinc:
@padgets Not mine, Don Cohen's. I used what I learned in that book to tutor analysis and I haven't taken the class yet! #mathchat
12:38 am
mthman:
@padgets Let's do this again next week! Think about topics & connecting in the fall! #mathchat
12:39 am
ColinTGraham:
Remember the same topic will be revisited on Mon #mathchat at a more Euro-friendly time, often with different approaches... check it out!
12:39 am
ccampbel14:
@gailly123 I say, 'Don't you think that is beautiful?' and Ss look a me funny! I want them to see the beauty of numbers, shapes, e #mathchat
12:39 am
marynabadenhors:
What does everyone think of the value of external tutors like Kip McGrath and private tutors? Any good? #mathchat
12:40 am
ColinTGraham:
Send ideas and questions for #mathchat either to me or to @mathchat or use the wallwisher. I will be clearing the Wallwisher soon...!
12:40 am
ccampbel14:
Thanks everyone for the great discussions. Love connecting globally with other math educators! Thanks to Twitter #mathchat
12:41 am
padgets:
#mathchat well, my dog is needing to go out in earnest now, thank you all sooo much for the suggestions and encouragement, love my PLN :-0)
12:41 am
gailly123:
@mthman Thank you as well, until next chat #mathchat