Topic: How do we handle wide ability ranges in a single class?
As it happened on Thursday, 15th July 23:30 - 00:30 GMT

11:29 pm
ccoffa:
question from newbie, how does #mathchat work?
11:30 pm
ColinTGraham:
Hello everyone, we will start #mathchat in a minute or so. Moderators will be me, @tcash and @mathchat (=me!)
11:31 pm
tcash:
@ccoffa I use tweetgrid.com and use a 1x2 or 1 x3 layout. 1 column for searching #mathchat and another for @tcash (you would put yours)
11:32 pm
MariaDroujkova:
@ccoffa To use #mathchat, keep clicking the tag to refresh and follow the conversation.
11:32 pm
brittgow:
@ccoffa it's easy - put a #mathchat column on Tweetdeck and watch the conversation flow! Add the #mathchat to any comments you make.
11:32 pm
ColinTGraham:
We are all new to #mathchat... Tania and I will try to keep you 'on topic'.
11:33 pm
georgewoodbury:
I am using TweetChat to keep up with tonight's #mathchat
11:33 pm
ColinTGraham:
To @ccoffa and other 'newbies' Just jump in and tweet your ideas and make sure you have #mathchatin your tweet
11:33 pm
tcash:
For the next hour, I will be tweeting about How to Handle Wide Ability Ranges in One Classroom for inaugural #mathchat Please join us!
11:35 pm
ccoffa:
@ColinTGraham thanks, will do #mathchat
11:35 pm
math2go:
Great DI site: http://bit.ly/4aUhMZ #mathchat
11:35 pm
ColinTGraham:
There is a TweetGrid set up on the Wiki http://bit.ly/bivRmq if you want to use that. Tania & I am using TweetGrid #mathchat
11:36 pm
ColinTGraham:
Let's go! "How do you handle mixed ability in a single class?"... #mathchat
11:36 pm
math2go:
Also: Teaching Math to Gifted Students in a Mixed-Ability CR: http://bit.ly/dilD5o #mathchat <-it's all about knowing your kids!
11:36 pm
tcash:
Make sure you use the #mathchat hashtag in your tweets to partcipate
11:37 pm
mathheadinc:
@tcash Start by telling all students that you believe they can all do well, to work hard and ask lots of questions. #mathchat
11:37 pm
tcash:
What strategies have you used in the past to handle different ability levels? #mathchat
11:38 pm
ColinTGraham:
If you have useful links, just tweet them with the #mathchat tag
11:38 pm
brittgow:
Potato Olympics worked well for my Year 6/7 class http://bit.ly/dhuJPn Students can participate at their own level. #mathchat
11:38 pm
math2go:
Teach kids to believe that success in math is about hard work and perseverance - not gender or some math gene. #mathchat
11:39 pm
mathheadinc:
Let more advanced students help less advanced. #mathchat
11:39 pm
MariaDroujkova:
I used "Creating"-type activities where kids could create simple, complicated, advanced or newbie things, as they choose #mathchat
11:39 pm
mrdfleming:
I have allowed my grade 1 students to use manipulatives as needed, and group work was also important #mathchat
11:39 pm
math2go:
RT @mathheadinc: Let more advanced students help less advanced. #mathchat <sometimes, but also flex group by ability sometimes
11:39 pm
tcash:
RT @math2go: Teach kids to believe that success in math is about hard work and perseverance - not gender or some math gene. #mathchat
11:39 pm
Saskateach:
One strategy I have learned for D.I. in math is changing problems/ questions into open and choice tasks. #mathchat
11:40 pm
jdnramsay:
I try to give pretests (with short answer and open-ended questions) to determine ability levels for each standard. #mathchat
11:40 pm
tcash:
RT @Saskateach: One strategy I have learned for D.I. in math is changing problems/ questions into open and choice tasks. #mathchat
11:40 pm
MariaDroujkova:
@math2go Believe in work over ability is one of the top correlations with math success. #mathchat
11:41 pm
math2go:
Use math centers based upon formative data #mathchat
11:41 pm
jdnramsay:
RT @mathheadinc: Let more advanced students help less advanced. #mathchat Heterogeneous grouping-working together. #mathchat
11:42 pm
tcash:
@jdnramsay What to do with advanced students who've already mastered content? On to nxt lvl or sideways to topic eg cryptography? #mathchat
11:42 pm
ColinTGraham:
Can you expand? RT @math2go: Use math centers based upon formative data #mathchat
11:42 pm
math2go:
@MariaDroujkova yup and research shows that IQ is malleable!! #mathchat
11:43 pm
Saskateach:
I also like 2 get 2 know my students, not just their ability levels, but learning styles and interests. These can be tapped into. #mathchat
11:43 pm
georgewoodbury:
@mathheadinc I use the same strategy at CommColl level - Have more advanced students help those who are underprepared #mathchat
11:43 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat I use collaborative working. Learners work on different aspects of real problems according to ability/learning target.
11:43 pm
brittgow:
Kids teaching kids is a gr8 strategy - consolidates knowledge 4 the more advced & kids get explanations in their language #mathchat
11:43 pm
ccoffa:
Great ideas on problem solving in this Ted Talk http://bit.ly/aSjjZb #mathchat
11:44 pm
tcash:
RT @Saskateach: Get 2 know students, not just their ability levels, but learning styles and interests. These can be tapped into. #mathchat
11:44 pm
MariaDroujkova:
When every single student goes at his or her individual pace, the notion of "advanced" disappears... #mathchat Though one can count averages
11:44 pm
tcash:
Differentiated Instruction for Mathhttp://www.k8accesscenter.org/training_resources/mathdifferentiation.asp #mathchat
11:44 pm
brittgow:
A 'menu' approach where stds choose from a variety of activities can work well #mathchat
11:44 pm
esivel1:
#mathchat
11:45 pm
ColinTGraham:
At what age does specialization or streaming have an impact? #mathchat
11:45 pm
tcash:
RT @brittgow: A 'menu' approach where stds choose from a variety of activities can work well #mathchat
11:45 pm
Saskateach:
@mrdfleming I have used math workshop in 2 and 3. Love it. Inspired by Young Mathematicians at Work by Cathy Fosnot. #mathchat
11:46 pm
ColinTGraham:
OK, what is math workshop for those who are not familiar with it? #mathchat
11:46 pm
MariaDroujkova:
@esivel1 Glad to have you in #mathchat!
11:46 pm
mrdfleming:
@Saskateach So glad to hear that! Would you believe it? I've got that book on order already! Look forward to reading it! #mathchat
11:46 pm
tcash:
RT @Saskateach: @mrdfleming Used math workshop in 2 & 3. Love it. Inspired by Young Mathematicians at Work by Cathy Fosnot. #mathchat
11:47 pm
ccoffa:
Expert groups - all children prepare short video on an area they understand - becomes excellent resource for all #mathchat
11:47 pm
mrdfleming:
@Saskateach Also, got to see Fosnot just last week! Glad to hear I can look closer at it to make the workshop model work! #mathchat
11:47 pm
math2go:
@brittgow kids teaching kids is gr8 but gifted kids get tired of it sometimes and need to work w/peers at times #mathchat
11:48 pm
tcash:
What strategies do you use to assess ability level? Do you pre-assess before a unit? #mathchat
11:48 pm
brittgow:
Australia has Maths300 which is a g8 collection of open-ended learning tasks #mathchat
11:48 pm
ColinTGraham:
@4thGrdTeach OK, no prob, just jump into #mathchat
11:49 pm
jrsteach:
Math wkshop at the K level really allows for diff instr and discovery! I love the mini-lesson and wkshop time #mathchat
11:49 pm
4thGrdTeach:
Letting student s take off even if u are still talking hels the kids that get it not get bored #mathchat
11:49 pm
brittgow:
@math2go I agree - can't be all the time #mathchat
11:49 pm
MariaDroujkova:
Gifted and/or acutely interested kids can also benefit from working with professionals or advanced amateurs in the field #mathchat
11:49 pm
ColinTGraham:
London-based schools sometimes used SMILE, I remember having a 6-year gap at 13 yr old #mathchat
11:49 pm
4thGrdTeach:
@ColinTGraham I will mark calendar for next week but may be in car #mathchat
11:50 pm
justwonderinY:
@Saskateach: Young Mathematicians at Work by Cathy Fosnot. #mathchat <---I will have to check this out. Am looking for help with my mathws.
11:50 pm
Saskateach:
Math Workshop is "new" vocab one uses to indicate math period. It implies a time for working w/math, like rding workshop #mathchat
11:50 pm
4thGrdTeach:
pre-tests absolutely, some of my kids tested out of concepts then u have to challenge them #mathchat
11:50 pm
Caro_lann:
#mathchat sorry - maybe I'm missing something but what exactly is a "center"?
11:50 pm
mrdfleming:
I wish I had preassessed las year! I could have saved a lot of time on geometry and used it for +/-! #mathchat
11:50 pm
math2go:
Kids must be supported b4 they begin to fail - true differentiation! #mathchat
11:50 pm
mathheadinc:
@math2go Definitely not as teacher sub. It's fun to be teacher assistant for a grade if there are no higher classes. #mathchat
11:50 pm
MariaDroujkova:
Via @brittgow Australian collection of open math tasks http://www.maths300.esa.edu.au/ #mathchat
11:51 pm
tcash:
Does the programme/text you use (eg. Bridges, Everyday Math, etc.) provide for differentiation? Examples? #mathchat
11:51 pm
ColinTGraham:
We need to remember different countries have different systems/texts try to include ages, maybe...? ;-) #mathchat
11:51 pm
mathheadinc:
@georgewoodbury The advanced students get better. The less-skilled progress to help others. Everyone who works hard wins! #mathchat
11:51 pm
4thGrdTeach:
@Caro_lann it is when u set up dif activity centers for kids and they move through them #mathchat
11:51 pm
4thGrdTeach:
@math2go but to do that you have to find out what they know first #mathchat
11:52 pm
math2go:
@mathheadinc you are so right :) we all need to be both student and teacher at diff times! #mathchat
11:52 pm
jrsteach:
I preassess before each quartr and that allows for flex grps and wkshop time #mathchat
11:52 pm
mrdfleming:
RT @4thGrdTeach: @Caro_lann it is when u set up dif activity centers for kids and they move through them #mathchat
11:52 pm
4thGrdTeach:
@ColinTGraham good point, so important to remember it is not all us #mathchat
11:52 pm
ColinTGraham:
RT @tcash: Does the programme/text you use (eg. Bridges, Everyday Math, etc.) provide for differentiation? Examples? #mathchat
11:52 pm
MariaDroujkova:
@Caro_lann A center is a prepared activity (in a box or on a shelf) kids can pick up and do. See Montessori and Reggio Emilia #mathchat
11:52 pm
justwonderinY:
@math2go True! Requires knowing where they are, what they need, and monitoring progress. #mathchat
11:52 pm
4thGrdTeach:
@jrsteach have u tried to pre-assess each unit #mathchat
11:52 pm
tcash:
What strategies do you use to assess ability level? RT @4thGrdTeach: but to do that you have to find out what they know first #mathchat
11:53 pm
4thGrdTeach:
Everyday math does provide diff options, however, much of it is crap - web is much better tool #mathchat
11:53 pm
4thGrdTeach:
@tcash I ppre-test for the end of unit test and we have a lot of mini dscussion questions that u can use #mathchat
11:53 pm
ColinTGraham:
@jrsteach how do you assess? open-ended tasks, problem-solving...? #mathchat
11:53 pm
math2go:
@4thGrdTeach yup! it is all about collecting and using the data #mathchat
11:53 pm
mrdfleming:
@Saskateach We worked specifically with her Contexts for Learning kit... not a lot of theory covered. Look forward to reading! #mathchat
11:54 pm
Caro_lann:
@4thGrdTeach Ah. I think we might call that a carousel of activities! #mathchat#dividedbyacommonlanguage
11:54 pm
MariaDroujkova:
RT @4thGrdTeach: Everyday math does provide diff options, however, much of it is crap - web is much better tool #mathchat
11:54 pm
jrsteach:
@tcash edm not good DI, I have used math solutions to help embed #mathchat
11:54 pm
tcash:
I've had students do online work during math class registered at Johns Hopkins CTY - some great stuff there! #mathchat
11:54 pm
Saskateach:
I find that math journals writing at the beginning of a unit is a great way to pre-assess students understanding. #mathchat
11:54 pm
ColinTGraham:
RT @math2go: Kids must be supported b4 they begin to fail - true differentiation! #mathchat
11:55 pm
mrdfleming:
We use Math Makes Sense for Atl. Canada... excellent resource, imo. Luckily we have freedom to use as resource though! #mathchat
11:55 pm
mathheadinc:
@math2go Just wanted you to know I agree :) #mathchat
11:55 pm
ColinTGraham:
Examples? RT @4thGrdTeach: Everyday math does provide diff options,...- web is much better tool #mathchat
11:55 pm
tcash:
Bridges Math (Math Learning Center) has a Number Corner component which can be used quite flexibly #mathchat
11:55 pm
MariaDroujkova:
RT @mrdfleming: We use Math Makes Sense for Atl. Canada... excellent resource, imo. Luckily we have freedom to use as resource though! #mathchat
11:56 pm
ccampbel14:
I have struggled with centres. Probably bcs I wasn't clear about their purpose - practice or new learning. Far more effective now! #mathchat
11:56 pm
Saskateach:
@mrdfleming Theory books are great. A bit heavy but good. Another great resource is Making Math Meaningful for Can. Students #mathchat
11:56 pm
ColinTGraham:
We need to remember many adults also need help with numeracy... #mathchat
11:56 pm
mathheadinc:
Have sdnts do as much work by hand as possible. Our experience: Kids who struggle have usually relied to much on calculators. #mathchat
11:56 pm
chriszuccaro:
@tcash I'd like to hear more about the John's Hopkins online work #mathchat
11:57 pm
cbanka:
success in math does not depend on how many answers you know, but by what you do when you don't know the answer (auth. unknown) #mathchat
11:57 pm
ColinTGraham:
I'll set up some Book threads so you can discuss them on the Wiki #mathchat
11:58 pm
4thGrdTeach:
I drill in basic math facts to my students, most think i am nuts but they have to understand numbers #mathchat
11:58 pm
math2go:
Layered curriculum ala Kathie Nunley is another gr8 way to differentiate http://bit.ly/4euph5 #mathchat
11:58 pm
4thGrdTeach:
Often for diff in EDM, i find that smart exchange has great expansions on lessons #mathchat
11:58 pm
ccampbel14:
This is a FABULOUS resource! RT @Saskateach: @mrdfleming Another great resource is Making Math Meaningful for Can. Students #mathchat
11:58 pm
4thGrdTeach:
The best tool for dif for me has been other educators and knowing, really knowing, my curriculum #mathchat
11:59 pm
tcash:
@chriszuccaro Adv Ss connected to math course - finished 5th gr math in 3 mos, then cryptography course bfore going to 6th gr #mathchat
11:59 pm
4thGrdTeach:
so when you use a spiral approach like EDM know when the kids are intro'ed to something and go back to that garde level #mathchat
11:59 pm
ColinTGraham:
What is the widest year/grade difference you have had to handle in one class? #mathchat
11:59 pm
justwonderinY:
For me, programs make it harder to differentiate. Easy to use standards, math resources, and student work. #mathchat
11:59 pm
4thGrdTeach:
@ColinTGraham had one at a level of 1st garde and a couple at 6th grade level - so hard #mathchat
11:59 pm
tcash:
RT @ColinTGraham: What is the widest year/grade difference you have had to handle in one class? #mathchat

July 16, 2010

Caro_lann:
#mathchat Am I the only person who teaches adults here? Still need to differentiate and always use informal assessment of prior knowledge.

4thGrdTeach:
And don't forget you have to show that math is fun and not a task #mathchat

tcash:
@justwonderinY Agreed that some programs can be very scripted. Best to be familiar with processes and content, then be flexible #mathchat

Saskateach:
Totally Agree RT @justwonderinY: 4 me, programs make harder 2 differentiate. Easy 2 use standards, math resources,& student work. #mathchat

ColinTGraham:
@Caro_lann I have taught numeracy to ESL/EAL #mathchat
12:01 am
4thGrdTeach:
so when u have wide ability, how do u get to the core of your lesson? #mathchat
12:01 am
tcash:
Has anyone used the Jasper series for complex problem solving? #mathchat
12:01 am
chriszuccaro:
@ColinTGraham 2nd grader who was able to handle 5th grade math easily. He could have taught my class. #mathchat
12:01 am
ccampbel14:
I have found using open & parallel tasks, Marian Small, to be extremely effective to offer opportunities to all students. #mathchat
12:01 am
tperran:
RT @math2go: Layered curriculum ala Kathie Nunley is another gr8 way to differentiatehttp://bit.ly/4euph5 #mathchat -> I agree!
12:01 am
math2go:
RT @4thGrdTeach: And don't forget you have to show that math is fun and not a task #mathchat < oh, yeah!
12:01 am
justwonderinY:
@ccampbel14 @Saskateach @mrdfleming I think I am coming to Canada for math prof development! #mathchat
12:02 am
tcash:
Flexible grouping is one way to serve /challenge students at their level #mathchat
12:02 am
4thGrdTeach:
Absolutely - and make it fluid! RT @tcash: Flexible grouping is one way to serve /challenge students at their level #mathchat
12:02 am
ColinTGraham:
Did you let him? RT @chriszuccaro: 2nd grader able to handle 5th grade math easily.He could have taught my class. #mathchat
12:02 am
mathheadinc:
@math2go We tell our students to help their friends and classmates bc that's a great way to get all A's and they do. #mathchat
12:03 am
justwonderinY:
@tperran @math2go: Layered curriculum ala Kathie Nunley is another gr8 way to differentiatehttp://bit.ly/4euph5 #mathchat
12:03 am
ColinTGraham:
The SMILE system I mentioned earlier allowed for an 8-year difference - individualized cards... #mathchat
12:03 am
tcash:
What strategies have you used to help students represent/understand specific concepts? #mathchat
12:03 am
mathheadinc:
@4thGrdTeach "Flexible groups"...to see others' perspectives. Excellent! #mathchat
12:04 am
ColinTGraham:
RT @tcash: Flexible grouping is one way to serve /challenge students at their level #mathchat
12:04 am
4thGrdTeach:
I think to truly dif we have to take time to talk to our students, otherwise how will we know what they know or how they learn #mathchat
12:04 am
tonnet:
RT @mathheadinc: @math2go We tell our students to help their friends and classmates bc that's a great way to get all A's and they do. #mathchat
12:04 am
Saskateach:
When it comes to math & DI have 2 remember that math lessons need 2 have collab, &commun. Can't separate kids all the time #mathchat
12:04 am
4thGrdTeach:
@tcash more specific please? #mathchat
12:04 am
chriszuccaro:
@ColinTGraham Yep.. Went and borrowed some 5th grade texts, workbooks, online resources, etc. #mathchat
12:04 am
4thGrdTeach:
@Saskateach Agreed, sometimes it is new for all of the kids and they should work as teams #mathchat
12:04 am
mathheadinc:
Pose a question. Give them a mystery to solve. Let them sleuth together. #mathchat
12:05 am
ColinTGraham:
I find open-ended investigations are very useful for both assessment and allowing expansion #mathchat
12:05 am
4thGrdTeach:
@ColinTGraham do you base them out of curriculum or come up with your own? #mathchat
12:05 am
Saskateach:
@justwonderinY LOL I think there's alot we can learn fr each other. Gr8 ideas 4 DI in reading can be great ideas for DI in math #mathchat
12:05 am
ccampbel14:
Love Cathy Fosnot's workshops, math strings, etc. I have been challenged to think differently & have seen student success increase.#mathchat
12:06 am
tcash:
@4thGrdTeach: Grouping can be based on ability, interest... depends on what your goals are for each student #mathchat
12:06 am
melhutch:
Giving menus and choices is a great way to dif in math #mathchat
12:06 am
math2go:
RT @ColinTGraham: I find open-ended investigations are very useful for both assessment and allowing expansion #mathchat <agree!
12:06 am
jdnramsay:
@ColinTGraham Do you have a resource that has some examples of these open-ended investigations? #mathchat
12:06 am
ColinTGraham:
@4thGrdTeach There are investigations available, but sometimes it can grow out of a students question - those are best #mathchat
12:07 am
tcash:
Oops, that should have read "Anyone" #mathchat
12:07 am
Caro_lann:
@MariaDroujkova #mathchat My adults have already failed at school and need to overcome that barrier. And there is a different curriculum.
12:07 am
Saskateach:
@4thGrdTeach ...and sometimes students who understand concepts can help those who don't. They can learn so much from each other #mathchat
12:07 am
4thGrdTeach:
has anyone tried breaking down walls and grouping kids by ability between grade level team, or teaching style? #mathchat
12:07 am
tcash:
Project Based Learning is an open ended approach that naturally leaves room for differentiation #mathchat
12:07 am
ColinTGraham:
@jdnramsay Resources will go up on the Wiki! Follow @mathchat to get advised of updates! #mathchat
12:08 am
4thGrdTeach:
@Saskateach absolutely, but sometimes my advanced kids are sick of helping others #mathchat
12:08 am
tcash:
RT @4thGrdTeach: has anyone tried breaking down walls and grouping kids by ability between grade level team, or teaching style? #mathchat
12:08 am
howellwright:
RT @tperran: RT @math2go: Layered curriculum ala Kathie Nunley is another gr8 way to differentiatehttp://bit.ly/4euph5 #mathchat -> I agree!
12:08 am
ccampbel14:
Love starting with the BIG problem & 'hooking the bait' (Dan Meyer) All students can start, they are engaged & they work together #mathchat
12:08 am
tenteacher:
@tcash Students can show concepts by acting them out, drawing them, building them, writing about them, or creating examples to use #mathchat
12:08 am
tcash:
Have to understand the difference between group work and cooperative learning #mathchat
12:08 am
ColinTGraham:
Do any of you work in a situation where maths is taught in gender-specific groups... #mathchat
12:09 am
librarylion:
RT @4thGrdTeach: Absolutely - and make it fluid! RT @tcash: Flexible grouping is one way to serve /challenge students at their level #mathchat
12:09 am
4thGrdTeach:
I think many teachers feel intense pressure to finsih curriculum so they rush through hoping students hang on #mathchat
12:09 am
kcollazo:
Another great resource - math mastery learning ideas from http://lauracandler.com #mathchat
12:09 am
math2go:
RT @mathheadinc: Pose a question. Give them a mystery to solve. Let them sleuth together. #mathchat <ala Dan Meyer: http://bit.ly/aSjjZb
12:10 am
ColinTGraham:
How do you handle children whose parents don't have the numeracy skills to help them outside school? #mathchat
12:10 am
melhutch:
Recommend math for all books- changed my mind about dif #mathchat
12:10 am
math2go:
RT @tcash: Have to understand the difference between group work and cooperative learning #mathchat so true! coop learning is very organized
12:11 am
Saskateach:
@4thGrdTeach I also like pairing strong students up w/ strong students. Amazing 2 see what they can accomp. then share w/ class #mathchat
12:11 am
mrdfleming:
@4thGrdTeach That was a problem I had last year. #mathchat
12:11 am
tcash:
RT @ColinTGraham: How do you handle children whose parents don't have the numeracy skills to help them outside school? #mathchat
12:11 am
ColinTGraham:
At what age? RT @4thGrdTeach: I think many teachers feel pressure to finish curric. so they rush through hoping students hang on #mathchat
12:11 am
tcash:
@Saskateach Yes - cognitive pairs can accomplish amazing things, and they deserve the challenge! #mathchat
12:12 am
4thGrdTeach:
@ColinTGraham starts in elementary which are the crucial years for numeracy skills #mathchat
12:12 am
mrdfleming:
I've always thought a Math night for parents would be a great way to help those who just don't "get" Math. #mathchat
12:12 am
mrdfleming:
It would also be a great way to stave off the inevitable "I was never good at Math" at Parent-Teacher #mathchat
12:12 am
4thGrdTeach:
@mrdfleming agreed, and you have to be the example of how math can be learned and enjoyed #mathchat
12:13 am
tperran:
#mathchat Here is a great resource for designing DI lessons that you may want to bookmark:http://bit.ly/2GOMjy
12:13 am
ColinTGraham:
RT @mrdfleming: I've always thought a Math night for parents would be a great way to help those who just don't "get" Math. #mathchat
12:13 am
Saskateach:
Anyone try Japanese bansho style lessons. I really love these for teaching math & find very helpful for DI? #mathchat
12:13 am
4thGrdTeach:
@ColinTGraham I think in 4th grade we see a massive fall out, so that is 9 years old #mathchat
12:13 am
melhutch:
@mrdfleming We do a math trail at school to intro new approaches to parents #mathchat
12:13 am
4thGrdTeach:
@Saskateach Please share #mathchat
12:14 am
tcash:
Had 2 "Math Mornings" where parents could wander in/out of math classes, particpate, etc. w info session after- very successful! #mathchat
12:14 am
mathheadinc:
RT @4thGrdTeach: I think many teachers feel intense pressure to finsih curriculum so they rush through hoping students hang on #mathchat
12:14 am
ccampbel14:
@4thGrdTeach I use the standards from NCTM or the 'big ideas' found in publishers' resources. #mathchat
12:14 am
mrdfleming:
@melhutch What does a math trail look like? #mathchat
12:14 am
tcash:
RT @4thGrdTeach: @Saskateach Please share #mathchat Yes, please do!
12:14 am
4thGrdTeach:
@ccampbel14 do you have state/country /district standards that u have to follow? #mathchat
12:14 am
math2go:
RT @kcollazo: Another great resource - math mastery learning ideas from http://lauracandler.com#mathchat
12:14 am
Caro_lann:
#mathchat Family numeracy classes. Primary children and parents together. Not sure how it would work for secondary though!
12:14 am
4thGrdTeach:
@MariaDroujkova yes but also basicnumeracy skills if they don't understand adding by 10 how will they do more complicated math #mathchat
12:15 am
tcash:
@MariaDroujkova Bridges Math (by Math Learning Center) problem solving based approach - no memorizing of tedous algorithms! #mathchat
12:15 am
mathheadinc:
@ColinTGraham I've seen it in elementary schools. Makes kids neurotic. #mathchat
12:15 am
mthman:
@tcash I love the "Math Mornings" idea! #mathchat
12:15 am
melhutch:
@mrdfleming Different stations for choked and parent to work at followed by a discussion #mathchat
12:15 am
ColinTGraham:
OK, provocative question - Are elementary/primary teachers 'to blame' for the wide gap....? or do they need more support/training #mathchat
12:15 am
4thGrdTeach:
the divide between 8 year old math and 9 year old math is immense in EDM, they are not prepared #mathchat
12:16 am
math2go:
Family math nights are gr8 - kids can teach their parents how to make math fun! #mathchat
12:16 am
mthman:
@mrdfleming @melhutch I love math trails! We do one every year...we used to do 2! #mathchat
12:16 am
njbrand:
RT @ColinTGraham: We need to remember many adults also need help with numeracy... #mathchat
12:16 am
tperran:
RT @tcash: Had "Math Mornings" where parents could wander in/out of math classes, particpate, etc. w info session after- #mathchat >Like it!
12:16 am
ColinTGraham:
@Caro_lann Have you tried this with any of your adult students? #mathchat
12:17 am
tcash:
Bridges Math (Math Learning Center) sends home really useful info to parents, + good websites, hw is games to play @ home #mathchat
12:17 am
TechnologyToday:
RT @tperran #mathchat Here is a great resource for designing DI lessons: http://bit.ly/2GOMjy ... worth repeating!
12:17 am
Saskateach:
Bansho math involves having students work collob on problems then share solutions, visually & orally w/class. http://bit.ly/d2zTzJ #mathchat
12:17 am
MariaDroujkova:
We can blame teachers, administrators, or the society... A lot of good it does! Parents should be ultimately responsible for kids #mathchat
12:17 am
aliraines:
we do a math/tech night to show parents some of the games, strategies and tech we use in school #mathchat
12:17 am
mthman:
@ColinTGraham I would place the blame mainly on principals...in our state most put strongest at grades 3 & 4 for 4th grade test!! #mathchat
12:17 am
4thGrdTeach:
@ColinTGraham I will abso take part of the blame, but failing budgets hurt too #mathchat
12:18 am
melhutch:
@ColinTGraham Ooh provocative indeed- I see it as a combination and the competition to get answers kills off so many #mathchat counted...
12:18 am
tcash:
RT @aliraines: we do a math/tech night to show parents some of the games, strategies and tech we use in school #mathchat
12:18 am
Saskateach:
I find that often teachers who are not comfort. with math end up teaching it the way they were taught...drill and kill :( #mathchat
12:18 am
ColinTGraham:
Bansho is very much based on the Japanese groupwork approach, v common Japanese methodology... @Saskateach #mathchat
12:18 am
4thGrdTeach:
So how de we get kids the needed skills they need before the gap widens too much? #mathchat
12:18 am
tperran:
@Saskateach #mathchat Bansho math sounds like it provides instruction in a variety of important skills.
12:18 am
math2go:
RT @TechnologyToday: RT @tperran #mathchat Here is a gr8 resource for designing DI lessons:http://bit.ly/2GOMjy ... worth repeating! <nice!
12:19 am
mthman:
@MariaDroujkova I agree, but admin deserves a fair share as well! #mathchat
12:19 am
mathheadinc:
@ColinTGraham Many younger students complain to us about the teacher moving too quickly through material. #mathchat
12:19 am
4thGrdTeach:
Doesn't matter who we blame, we have to fix it, we are all to blame icl the kids #mathchat
12:20 am
ccampbel14:
@4thGrdTeach We have provincial standards(Alberta) based on NCTM standards so they are similar. Helps me emphasize the right parts.#mathchat
12:20 am
melhutch:
@ColinTGraham With so much emphasis on literacy, do we have enuf time? And what are realistic and necess goal for middle sch? #mathchat
12:20 am
tcash:
Ongoing Progress Monitoring - the key? how to use? #mathchat
12:20 am
mathheadinc:
@4thGrdTeach Practice and understand basic skills the same as a world class athlete would! #mathchat
12:20 am
mthman:
@4thGrdTeach Does your school (or district) have math specialists in elem schools? #mathchat
12:20 am
4thGrdTeach:
@tcash it only takes u so far, u can monitor all u want, it is what u do with results that matter #mathchat
12:20 am
ColinTGraham:
@mathheadinc Why do you think this 'race through' happens...? #mathchat
12:21 am
math2go:
RT @Saskateach: often tchrs not comfort. w/ math end up tchng it as they were taught.: drill n kill #mathchat <or pass on dislike/fear
12:21 am
4thGrdTeach:
@mthman we do, part time, and they have to focus on 1st graders, so only very very low kids are seen once or twice a week #mathchat
12:21 am
mathheadinc:
@4thGrdTeach And make it interesting and fun at the same time. #mathchat #neededskills
12:21 am
Saskateach:
My first exposure to bansho came from book called "The Teaching Gap", compares math teaching in US, Germany and Japan. #mathchat
12:21 am
tcash:
@mthman Yes, we have a Middle School teacher who is 25% math consultant for elementary - VERY effective #mathchat
12:21 am
mrdfleming:
@mathheadinc The teacher is moving too quickly through the material because there is too much material to cover #mathchat
12:21 am
mthman:
@melhutch Numeric fluency...numeric fluency...the pure joy of doing math! #mathchat
12:22 am
4thGrdTeach:
RT @mthman: @melhutch Numeric fluency...numeric fluency...the pure joy of doing math! #mathchat
12:22 am
mathheadinc:
@ColinTGraham I think to get kids ready for assessments. BC kids are supposed to be at "this" level or "that" level. #mathchat
12:22 am
4thGrdTeach:
AgreedRT @mrdfleming: The teacher is moving too quickly through the material because there is too much material to cover #mathchat
12:22 am
tperran:
RT @Saskateach: My first exposure to bansho came from book called "The Teaching Gap", compares math teaching in US, Ger. and Jap. #mathchat
12:22 am
ColinTGraham:
I would add "effective" RT @mthman: @4thGrdTeach Does your school (or district) have math specialists in elem schools? #mathchat
12:22 am
ccampbel14:
Math fairs (SNAP website) have huge positive spill-over effects into math. Students believe they can do math and it is fun. #mathchat
12:22 am
4thGrdTeach:
@ColinTGraham yes, but if u have transient students for example it is so hard to fix #mathchat
12:23 am
mathheadinc:
@mrdfleming THAT, TOO! Should cover less material but more deeply. #mathchat
12:23 am
tcash:
Fixing it means building concrete understandings - building, acting out, whatever it takes, can be messy #mathchat
12:23 am
mthman:
@tcash I think it is soooo needed in elementary schools! Been thinking of asking our district to allow me to teach math in elem #mathchat
12:23 am
math2go:
many kids need early intervention -additional time to learn & just as they get in reading! #mathchat<failure compounds quickly in math!
12:23 am
4thGrdTeach:
@ColinTGraham and not afraid to bend the rules of their role a little bit #mathchat
12:24 am
mthman:
@4thGrdTeach Not good! They need to be there for all grade levels to just "play" with math problems! #mathchat
12:24 am
4thGrdTeach:
Have you tossed out part of your curriculum ever? Often EDM has a lot of filler #mathchat
12:24 am
mathheadinc:
@4thGrdTeach Have passion AND the means to change things for the better for students. #mathchat
12:24 am
melhutch:
@ColinTGraham I don't think it its as easy as fix in early years- I have seen developmental lapses where kids change #mathchat
12:24 am
4thGrdTeach:
@mathheadinc Yes, absolutely, and not be afarid to change at all times #mathchat
12:24 am
ColinTGraham:
What happens if they aren't tho' ? RT @mathheadinc: BC kids are supposed to be at "this" level or "that" level. #mathchat
12:24 am
tcash:
Sorry to mention again, but Bridges program is spiraled and has Number Corner which allows for review and preview #mathchat
12:25 am
4thGrdTeach:
@mthman unfortunately not that way in my district #mathchat
12:25 am
melhutch:
RT @math2go: many kids need early intervention -additional time to learn & just as they get in reading! #mathchat <failure compounds quickly in math!
12:25 am
mthman:
@4thGrdTeach I seem to do it every year....it's called the textbooks! We need to ban them...talk about programing students!!! #mathchat
12:25 am
Caro_lann:
@ColinTGraham And lots of adult numeracy teachers too. I teach these teachers to get them up to the level needed. #mathchat
12:25 am
tcash:
Math Learning Center http://www.mathlearningcenter.org/ #mathchat
12:26 am
tperran:
@math2go I agree. Math proficiency is as important as reading proficiency. "I'm just not good at math" is unacceptable! #mathchat
12:26 am
math2go:
Kagan's books on cooperative learning in math, preal, al, geo, etc. have lot of differentiation ideas #mathchat
12:26 am
4thGrdTeach:
@mthman yes, maybe wiki's instead, i often look for goal of lesson and then teach that instead of filler #mathchat
12:26 am
penny_222:
Math needs to be taught so that students see relationships between strands and real life applications #mathchat
12:26 am
mthman:
@melhutch @math2go Too often the extra help comes in the way of more problems...instead of careful thought & math play! #mathchat
12:26 am
ColinTGraham:
Some research in the UK suggests that cognitive acceleration can be effected btwn 11-14 yr old, so not all is lost by age 10! #mathchat
12:26 am
mrdfleming:
The key to fixing the gap is focusing on depth as opposed to breadth. Our district is working towards that. #mathchat
12:27 am
tperran:
RT @tcash: Bridges program is spiraled and has Number Corner which allows for review and preview #mathchat Have a link?
12:27 am
tcash:
Leverage the power of web 2.0 tools to help differentiate math instruction #mathchat
12:27 am
mthman:
@4thGrdTeach Yes! I look for the same...I like to steal the general ideas of problems and make them more relevant/interesting! #mathchat
12:27 am
ColinTGraham:
OK people, we're into the final five minutes! #mathchat
12:27 am
tcash:
@tperran http://www.mathlearningcenter.org/ In MS, it's Visual Math - very powerful approach #mathchat
12:27 am
Saskateach:
The key is also working on understanding, true understanding and not just isolated skills. #mathchat
12:28 am
penny_222:
Pre-assessment needed 4 every math unit. A math tchr needs to know where the kids r to support them to get 2 where they have to b. #mathchat
12:28 am
ccampbel14:
This has been the huge shift in Alberta RT @mrdfleming: Focusing on depth as opposed to breadth. #mathchat
12:28 am
jdnramsay:
@tcash Please explain Leveraging of Web2.0 tools to dif. math instruction #mathchat
12:29 am
tperran:
#mathchat @ColinTGraham Are you archiving this tonight, Colin? I'd like to share it with the math dept at school.
12:29 am
mthman:
@4thGrdTeach Aww, that really stinks! We need to stop turning off students to math! #mathchat
12:29 am
math2go:
RT @tperran: @math2go I agree. Math proficiency is as important as reading proficiency. "I'm just not good at math" is unacceptable! #mathchat
12:29 am
tperran:
RT @tcash: @tperran http://bit.ly/bfDiwS In MS, it's Visual Math - very powerful approach #mathchatThanks!
12:29 am
Saskateach:
@ccampbel14 Good Questions for DI by Marian Small is a really good book and it is Canadian. Love this for math Journals. #mathchat
12:29 am
mrdfleming:
@ccampbel14 I think we get all our brilliant ideas from Alberta :) #mathchat
12:29 am
4thGrdTeach:
@mthman And why not, right? My most used quote is "This is stupid, let's do this instead..." #mathchat
12:30 am
ColinTGraham:
@tperran Absolutely! The chat archive will go on the Wiki. Follow @mathchat for updates. Monday will be a chance to revisit... #mathchat
12:30 am
mthman:
PLEASE DO -->RT @tperran: #mathchat @ColinTGraham Are you archiving this tonight, Colin? I'd like to share it with the math dept at school.
12:31 am
math2go:
@ColinTGraham well good vocabulary learning techniques are certainly essential! #mathchat
12:31 am
tcash:
@jdnramsay ManyWeb 2.0 tools facilitate creation-highest lvl Bloom's taxonomy.Visual,audio.many ways to reformulate understandings #mathchat
12:31 am
mathheadinc:
RT @tperran: @math2go I agree. Math proficiency is as important as reading proficiency. "I'm just not good at math" is unacceptable! #mathchat
12:31 am
4thGrdTeach:
So have we been inspired or bogged down by this discussion? #mathchat
12:31 am
mthman:
@4thGrdTeach Love that quote...shows how mishandled their math education has been! #mathchat
12:31 am
Saskateach:
Necess 4 engagement RT @penny_222: Math needs 2 be taught so that students see relationships b/w strands&real life applications #mathchat
12:31 am
mthman:
A little bit of both! ---> RT @4thGrdTeach: So have we been inspired or bogged down by this discussion? #mathchat
12:32 am
tperran:
RT @4thGrdTeach: So have we been inspired or bogged down by this discussion? #mathchat I got some great resources! Thanks everyone!
12:32 am
melhutch:
@ColinTGraham Thanks for organizing! #mathchat
12:32 am
tcash:
@ColinTGraham Thanks for a fantastic inaugural #mathchat - what a great discussion!
12:32 am
math2go:
RT @4thGrdTeach: So have we been inspired or bogged down by this discussion? #mathchat<inspired! So good to know others out there!
12:32 am
JillBromen:
RT @Saskateach: Bansho math involves having students work collob on problems then share solutions, visually & orally w/class. http://bit.ly/d2zTzJ #mathchat
12:33 am
tenteacher:
RT @tcash: @ColinTGraham Thanks for a fantastic inaugural #mathchat - what a great discussion! #mathchat
12:33 am
padgets:
RT @ColinTGraham: Does anyone other than me think that maths should be taught like a foreign language? #mathchat Yesssssssssss!
12:33 am
math2go:
RT @tcash: @ColinTGraham Thanks for a fantastic inaugural #mathchat - what a great discussion!
12:33 am
mathchat:
This is Colin being mathchat! Follow me to get updates on the Wiki! #mathchat
12:33 am
tcash:
@padgets Interesting - as math is a language with its own rules, syntax... #mathchat
12:34 am
mrdfleming:
AGREED! RT @mthman: A little bit of both! ---> RT @4thGrdTeach: So have we been inspired or bogged down by this discussion? #mathchat
12:34 am
mthman:
RT @mathchat: This is Colin being mathchat! Follow me to get updates on the Wiki! #mathchat
12:34 am
penny_222:
Math should not be taught in isolation but cross-curricular w/ all subjects. If u don't know ur basic numeracy what is ur future? #mathchat
12:34 am
tcash:
RT @cybraryman1: "If children cannot learn the way we teach, we must teach the way children learn." #mathchat
12:34 am
ColinTGraham:
My next blog is going to be "Mathematics for Speakers of Other Languages" watch this space! #mathchat
12:34 am
davidwees:
@padgets @ColinTGraham That's often how I teach Math, as a foreign language with new concepts embedded in vocabulary. #mathchat
12:35 am
mthman:
Yes! Need 2 reflect --->RT @Saskateach: Thanks to everyone for this great discussion. Think we just scratched the surface here. #mathchat
12:35 am
ccampbel14:
Did anyone else have trouble keeping up? Was typing & missing tweets & then losing my train of thought bcs something else came up!#mathchat
12:35 am
ColinTGraham:
Don't forget to follow anyone new... and there's going to be a 90-min mathchat^2 on Monday, same topic for a trial period...! #mathchat
12:36 am
tcash:
RT @ColinTGraham: My next blog is going to be "Mathematics for Speakers of Other Languages" watch this space! #mathchat
12:36 am
mthman:
RT @ColinTGraham: Don't forget to follow anyone new... and there's going to be a 90-min mathchat^2 on Monday, same topic for a trial period...! #mathchat
12:36 am
Saskateach:
Totally agree that math needs 2 b taught like foreign lang b/c it is 1. If we want students 2 commun in math teach them 2 use lang.#mathchat
12:36 am
ColinTGraham:
Post questions to @mathchat in a couple of weeks, I'll be asking one of you to choose the poll questions! #mathchat
12:36 am
ccampbel14:
Math as a foreign language...my specialty areas are French as a 2nd language & mathematics. Makes sense to me! #mathchat
12:37 am
tcash:
RT @ColinTGraham: Don't forget to follow anyone new...& a 90-min #mathchat on Monday, same topic for a trial period...! #mathchat
12:37 am
mthman:
@ColinTGraham Thanks for your work leading up to today! Got here late but loved the discussions! Great job Colin! #mathchat
12:37 am
tperran:
#mathchat One more resource for differentiating- The Differentiator! Create well-written learning objectives based on Bloom's taxonomy.
12:37 am
tcash:
RT @ColinTGraham: Post questions to @mathchat in a couple of weeks, I'll be asking one of you to choose the poll questions! #mathchat
12:37 am
ColinTGraham:
Good night, Good morning, Good Afternoon! Thanks for a great chat everyone! #mathchat
12:38 am
Saskateach:
@tperran Please share more info. Is it a website? #mathchat
12:38 am
4thGrdTeach:
RT @ColinTGraham: Don't forget to follow anyone new... going to be a 90-min mathchat^2 on Monday, same topic for a trial period! #mathchat
12:39 am
mthman:
That goes for me too! RT @ColinTGraham: Good night, Good morning, Good Afternoon! Thanks for a great chat everyone! #mathchat
12:40 am
tperran:
@Saskateach Sorry,here is the link. It is actually a site for gifted students but works for all!http://bit.ly/cCcWm1 #mathchat